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    This should open a can of worms!



    I actually do believe in a form of censorship - for all those who cry "free speech", just try shouting "Fire!" in a theatre - though quite what should be censored and how it could be achieved is beyond me.



    I do believe that site owners [and ISPs] should be held liable for the material they upload.



    Of course, the major problem is what annoys "Disgusted of Tunbridge Wells" will be seen as completely harmless by the liberal-minded so it is extremely unlikely that a consensus could be reached. I'm sure there are many on the DTW wing who would have had apoplexy at some of the remarks made by Brian Cox in his interview with Mark Lawson.

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    People who say it is impossible are clearly incorrect




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    name='Fellwanderer']Should the internet be censored?




    No, it shouldn't.

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    Yes, censor everything. Stop anyone from expressing an opinion, engaging in hobbies or pastimes, sharing their views and having any kind of fun whatsoever. No good will come of it and we'll all end up mindless zombies tapping away at keyboards in tiny self contained rooms equipped with WiFi and developing a sense of freedom through a collective opinion that is repeatedly copied and pasted into every subject raised.



    Ban free speech, ban opinions, censor the internet and place a tax on individual thinking.




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    Censored or regulated?



    Because look for yourself what an unregulated banking sector did to the world economy.

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    I'd put child porn, race hate and terrorist sites on an isp blacklist.

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    name='DB7']I'd put child porn, race hate and terrorist sites on an isp blacklist.
    No doubt those sites are the sort of thing Fell meant, rather than the extreme "censor everything" nonsense.







    I agree with Torquemada that there should be regulation.

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    name='ShirlGirl']No doubt those sites are the sort of thing Fell meant, rather than the extreme "censor everything" nonsense.







    I agree with Torquemada that there should be regulation.


    Indeed, ShirlGirl.



    Regulation is probably a better choice than censorship. We can all self-censor - though I'm equally sure we've all been caught out at sometime or other by a website that has not been exactly what we were expecting!

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    I think the question is "Can the internet be censored?" And the answer is "No". You censor something on a British website, the user will just Google and find it in another country where it's legal. So all you can do is prosecute the individual for looking, not the site for putting it up (in most cases).

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    name='DB7']I'd put child porn, race hate and terrorist sites on an isp blacklist.


    I'm with you there, DB7.

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    There are some unsavoury things on the internet but surely to come across them you should,in that case be looking for them? Similar to television,if its not your thing,turn it over or better still turn it off. Maybe?

    Frame.

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    name='torinfan']I'm with you there, DB7.
    Me too.

    Frame.

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    name='frame69']There are some unsavoury things on the internet but surely to come across them you should,in that case be looking for them? Similar to television,if its not your thing,turn it over or better still turn it off. Maybe?

    Frame.


    Not necessarily. Try doing a google search for an attractive female who is well-known and you'll almost certainly come across a link to a porn site or similar. Sometimes it is completely innocuous- simply a marketing ploy:



    search the web



    Which has absolutely no connection with her in any way whatsoever and much to our concern, we haven't been able to get control of it.

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    name='frame69']There are some unsavoury things on the internet but surely to come across them you should,in that case be looking for them? Similar to television,if its not your thing,turn it over or better still turn it off. Maybe?

    Frame.
    I once was looking for a photo of a hairy man to post in the forum for some reason or another that was relevant at the time, and when I googled "hairy men photos" what I found was definitely NOT what I was looking for! Disgusting beyond words.

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    name='ShirlGirl']I once was looking for a photo of a hairy man to post in the forum for some reason or another that was relevant at the time, and when I googled "hairy men photos" what I found was definitely NOT what I was looking for! Disgusting beyond words.


    Overly hairy men don't do a thing for me - send them to a salon for a waxing or something.

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    name='Rowdon']I think the question is "Can the internet be censored?" And the answer is "No". You censor something on a British website, the user will just Google and find it in another country where it's legal. So all you can do is prosecute the individual for looking, not the site for putting it up (in most cases).


    I think the can it be done argument is a red herring and an easy get out for thise who run the sites but don't want any responsibility for content. If it was impossible how can they keep porn off Youtube but not acts of personal violence? It's a crock.

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    The internet can course be censored/regulated. Google-Images has three settings on its search function: Strict - Moderate - OFF. It would be interesting to know which of the settings is most popular......



    I have no idea how this works.... perhaps they employ the AlgoRythym Method....



    Some American Servers censor words in Forums. I recall when I first started using one, I innocently typed in the common British expression cock-up and when it came out on screen it read **** , which completely bewildered me until a fellow-member advised me of the Californian (she said) puritan coding system that was operative. Apparently the site I was on was not an Over-18 registered site so my filthy language was censored.......







    And yet references to people falling on their fannies cropped up in several posts .....




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    The UK Government are knocking ideas around at present regarding regulating thye internet. They seem to be pushing towards an idea based on the certification used by the BBFC although nothing definite has been released over how such a scheme would work.



    It's a huge concern, especially when you consider how such a scheme affected movies in the 80s. Are we going to be better off if the internet is regulated in such a manner? A board of aging conservatives, or even one solitary regulator, making decisions based entirely on his own notions of what is and isn't offensive, corrupting or obscene.



    Every ISP offers parental controls, parents should monitor and regulate internet usage for those under 18. There are bills and laws in place to stop things like child pornography, racial violence and terrorism so why should there be any further need for regulation in those cases? The law should be putting a stop to their existence completely.



    The problem with other, offensive to some, content is that the internet is a global community and what's legal in one country is forbidden in another. What would the point be if the UK Government were to place controls on British servers hosting animal pornography when it is perfectly legal in other parts of the world which are just as accessible to UK citizens?



    Is the UK to become an island as far as the internet is concerned and only allow UK users to browse UK hosted and regulated sites? That's not what the information superhighway was designed for. How can a history student research the ramifications of World War 2 without accessing a German point of view? It simply defeats the object.



    We had the same problems in the early 80s when 76 movies were banned and prosecuted by the Director of Public Prosescutions. Almost all of these films have since been released uncut without any uproar. This is bound to happen with internet regulation. Harsh measures at the outset followed by backpedalling and reworking of rules.



    It's a dangerous time whichever way you look at it. The question is would you be happy to give up another of your personal freedoms based on the opinions and judgements of a higher authority? I certainly wouldn't. I know where the back button is on my computer and I'm perfectly capable of deciding when to use it.

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    name='GoggleboxUK']



    Is the UK to become an island as far as the internet is concerned and only allow UK users to browse UK hosted and regulated sites? That's not what the information superhighway was designed for. How can a history student research the ramifications of World War 2 without accessing a German point of view? It simply defeats the object.








    I hope not




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    I don't think censoring the internet would be an acceptable answer even if it could be done. We need the people posting the bad stuff to be arrested and put away. What they do is illegal in most places anyway, so total banning from the net would make no difference to these people - they'd find a way to post it anyway.

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