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    Senior Member Country: UK CaptainWaggett's Avatar
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    name='Mark O']You're right with the 'Jam' bit Arfur, that's your typical champagne socialist all over, we live the high life whilst the masses do as we say, not as we do, Harman and Abbott sending their sprogs to private schools after proclaiming they're against anything private, hipocrasy, hipocrasy, all is hipocrasy........



    I didn't see Vanessa do her curtsey (maybe I'll find it on you-tube) as the ceremony was hosted by Woss whom I can't abide, Prince William does his bit, just like his late great mother with his charity work.


    I don't want to shatter your obsession about Harriet Harman's hypocrisy but she didn't send her children to private schools

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    Senior Member Country: Great Britain Mark O's Avatar
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    name='CaptainWaggett']I don't want to shatter your obsession about Harriet Harman's hypocrisy but she didn't send her children to private schools


    Grammar School eh, didn't 'old' Labour once want them all banned?.........if she wants to be a seen as a 'sister of the people' she should have sent her kids to local Peckham Comps!

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    Senior Member Country: UK wellendcanons's Avatar
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    I don't understand what you have got against socialism Mark, when by your own admission earlier in this thread you would be better off under the far left and not the right. Let's not forget that the majority of people in this country are in a similar position to you and myself regarding low pay. There are only a handful of ruthless business people like Rupert Murdoch who own the TV media and multi-national newspapers that spill out the type of propaganda that you seem so keen to allow yourself to believe.



    As much as I admit that all through my voting life it has never been trendy to admit to being a socialist - not that it ever bothers me - though I must confess I find this expression "Champagne Socialist" a laughable and delusional play on words by the usual suspects that are predators to the typical right-wing propaganda columnists who don't believe that socialists like Vanessa Redgrave should mix with the elite. It frankly sends me to



    wellendcanons.

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    Senior Member Country: UK CaptainWaggett's Avatar
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    name='wellendcanons'].



    As much as I admit that all through my voting life it has never been trendy to admit to being a socialist - not that it ever bothers me - though I must confess I find this expression "Champagne Socialist" a laughable and delusional play on words by the usual suspects that are predators to the typical right-wing propaganda columnists who don't believe that socialists like Vanessa Redgrave should mix with the elite.


    Or who believe that any lefty who doesn't wear a cloth cap, keep whippets and drink brown ale is a hypocrite

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    Senior Member Country: UK wellendcanons's Avatar
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    Very true CaptainWaggett. Thanks for providing the link about Harriet Harman. That should have set the record straight. I must confess I was ignorant of that fact myself. I must have been listening to too much tory propaganda! lol



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    Senior Member Country: Great Britain Mark O's Avatar
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    name='wellendcanons']I don't understand what you have got against socialism Mark



    wellendcanons.


    I just don't want to be controlled by the state W, and pay more in the way of taxes as duty on supposedly non-essentials will sky-rocket in Britain, in Scandinavia they have state controlled 'Off-licences' (as we call them), I want to be able to purchase my booze where I like at a price I like.



    Where I was saying about having the freedom to go private regards health I was thinking of employer related schemes, nothing to do with being rich, something again I'm sure the far-left are against, my sister is in one and I can assure you she wasn't 'fast-tracked' past NHS patients, it was a Bupa Doctor at the local Bupa Hospital she was seen by, when she was in agony with a colon stuck against the stomach she was whisked in and operated on, and in the meantime freed up an NHS bed, therefore I'll never criticise the freedom of the option of 'private' in any aspect of life.

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    Senior Member Country: Great Britain Mark O's Avatar
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    name='CaptainWaggett']Or who believe that any lefty who doesn't wear a cloth cap, keep whippets and drink brown ale is a hypocrite


    or wear a scarf knotted under the chin..........




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    name='CaptainWaggett']Or who believe that any lefty who doesn't wear a cloth cap, keep whippets and drink brown ale is a hypocrite


    That's a rather natty cloth cap in your current avatar, Captain - presumably the whippets and brown ale were just out of shot?

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    Senior Member Country: UK CaptainWaggett's Avatar
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    name='fluddite']That's a rather natty cloth cap in your current avatar, Captain - presumably the whippets and brown ale were just out of shot?


    Well, my avatar was a good Northerner...




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    name='CaptainWaggett']Or who believe that any lefty who doesn't wear a cloth cap, keep whippets and drink brown ale is a hypocrite




    Yes and then damned as simply being jealous of the moneyed.

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    Senior Member Country: Ireland fluddite's Avatar
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    name='Mr Sloane']



    Don't know about the above but he wins my undying respect for " Birt was responsible for modernisation of much BBC output, including the removal from BBC Radio 1 of veteran disk jockeys such as Dave Lee Travis and Simon Bates."


    Entertaining, Mr Sloane....

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    name='Mark O']I just don't want to be controlled by the state W, and pay more in the way of taxes as duty on supposedly non-essentials will sky-rocket in Britain, in Scandinavia they have state controlled 'Off-licences' (as we call them), I want to be able to purchase my booze where I like at a price I like.



    Where I was saying about having the freedom to go private regards health I was thinking of employer related schemes, nothing to do with being rich, something again I'm sure the far-left are against, my sister is in one and I can assure you she wasn't 'fast-tracked' past NHS patients, it was a Bupa Doctor at the local Bupa Hospital she was seen by, when she was in agony with a colon stuck against the stomach she was whisked in and operated on, and in the meantime freed up an NHS bed, therefore I'll never criticise the freedom of the option of 'private' in any aspect of life.


    You may be surprised that Canada (or certainly some provinces of) have state controlled off licences, certainly in Quebec and Ontario where you can only buy 'hard' liquor in those stores. Try hunting for a bottle of Scotch in Montreal, it's a nightmare. Also many states in the US have resticted off licences. You may also be surprised that 14 of the US states have rigorous state controls on the sale of booze, sales restricted to state controlled outlets only.



    I'm sure this also applies to many other capitalist countries, and you can't get much more capitalist than the US and Canada. As far as the NHS is concerned I too would have to go private if a loved one was suffering and had to wait for NHS treatment. I wouldn't blame anyone for choosing such an option but the whole point of Socialism (maybe a tad idealistic) is that everyone gets superb medical treatment, as in Cuba, recently second only to France in the stats for world wide healthcare.



    The philosophy of Socialism is not only financial though, the aspiration is that you would live in a far fairer society and the consequence would be more opportunity for all which would result in a much lower crime rate and a far happier society in general.



    Despite my political leanings I am predominately a democrat and as such respect anyones views (except the BNP and similar) and I'm sure we are all singing from the same hymn sheet in that we all want what's best for our country.



    Best wishes.

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    name='CaptainWaggett']Well, my avatar was a good Northerner...





    Dam good fellow that old boy!



    What we need today "in da house" is Mr Pastry and here is the evidence...

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