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    name='julian_craster']

    Apparently, the rich folks in the USA really like Tony, as he kept socialist policies out of the UK for 10 years, and enabled Margaret Thatcher's legacy to remain unchallenged !


    Quite so.

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    How pathetic that a Labour government that had spent their time in the 1970s with their tongue up the Kremlin's backside were now on their knees to a right wing neocon government in the USA.


    Agree with the last bit, but the first part is absolute nonsense.

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    Like him or loathe him, Blair, like the reprehensible (IMHO) Thatcher before him, was a "winner" who polarised opinion. The Tories hated (and feared) him because, not unlike Harold Wilson, he was adept with smoke and mirrors at outmanoeuvring the "nasty" conservatives...beat them at their own sly game. The socialists despised him because he reconstructed their beloved (but repeatedly rejected) labour party as the new Tory party ( Labour tried for decades to honestly trumpet a "pay more tax if you want better, fairer services" and the fickle, greedy electorate either voted Conservative or couldn't be arsed to vote at all). But Mondeo Man and the houswives loved his glossy smile, youth and energy and hitched a ride aboard the tide of optimism he whipped up so adroitly.



    So Blair the Trojan horse got into No 10 promising no increase in income tax and got his hands on the levers of power, promptly inventing many new taxes to make up the shortfall. He has always been adept at "spinning" support...fed us a load of cock & bull about WMD and what "must" be done, and so many of the gullible public out there either bought into it or couldn't give a monkeys anyway. Now that chickens are coming home to roost on all sorts of fronts, poor old gormless Gordon is left carrying the can, but Tone, like Maggie, was one of those lucky politicians with fortuitous timing, and all successful politicians, like good Generals, need to be lucky. Even if you detest Blair, admit it...he's good at what he does.

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    Nice summary Tonch, but I still loathed him and firmly believe that if the Labour Party had stayed loyal to its core beliefs (which would of course meant it remaining in opposition, but effectively restraining the more savage inclinations of the Tory party) the country would probably be in a better state and the political centre far closer to the true centre than the right skewed position it currently occupies.

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    Fair point Torq, I think you're probably correct on that

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    name='Santonix']No Steve, I don't think a stick would be classed as a weapon of mass destruction.
    Well what would then? I've never seen anyone (in authority) offer anything close to a definition. It's just a vague term that politicians use to scare the children



    Steve

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    Pretty obvious really, a weapon that when it is deployed causes instant mass destruction, for example a bomb, not a stick.

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    name='Steve Crook'] It's just a vague term that politicians use to scare the children



    Steve


    And that's exactly what in my opinion Tony Blair wanted to do, he wanted to frighten people into backing a war against Iraq and it worked.

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    name='Santonix']Pretty obvious really, a weapon that when it is deployed causes instant mass destruction, for example a bomb, not a stick.
    Not at all obvious. There's no indication that it's referring to "instant" mass destruction. It's also been used to refer to chemical or biological attacks over a wide area which take a long time to be delivered.



    And that's exactly what in my opinion Tony Blair wanted to do, he wanted to frighten people into backing a war against Iraq and it worked.
    But it wasn't Blair, or anyone associated with him, that coined the term.



    Looking it up, it was first used by Cosmo Lang, Archbishop of Canterbury in 1937, protesting at the bombing of Guernica. It was then brought back into common usage by the Americans after 9/11 and the anthrax scare that followed it.



    In 2003 Lake Superior State University added WMD to its list of terms banished for "Mis-use, Over-use and General Uselessness".



    But I still think that a stick can do a lot of mass destruction



    Steve

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    name='Steve Crook']What is a "weapon of mass destruction"?

    You can do a lot of destruction with a stick. Is a stick a weapon of mass destruction?



    Blair knew that Saddam had the weapons. He kept the receipt



    Steve


    LOL.



    A weapon of mass destruction is a nuclear missile I would have thought, I'm sure you're familiar with the massive V2 missile in the Imperial war museum Steve, I am, it sure is scary!



    I'm going to have to read up on 'Trident' what a couple of people on Question time were despairing about recently, but to me a nuclear missile isn't hopefully for actual use, but for the protection of a country and a deterrent to a hostile one.

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    name='Mark O']A weapon of mass destruction is a nuclear missile I would have thought, I'm sure you're familiar with the massive V2 missile in the Imperial war museum Steve, I am, it sure is scary!
    But the V2 wasn't a nuclear missile. My point about this is that the term "Weapons of Mass Destruction" is such a loose description that it doesn't really describe anything accurately. You might as well try to ban "things"



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    With respect Steve you are not so much splitting the atom as splitting hairs here (see what i did there? )



    However, as you say, the whole point is it is a very in-your-face attention grabbing catch phrase which when examined closely cannot really be pinned down as meaning or standing for anything.



    Could there be a more appropriate person to coin such a phrase as Mr Blair?

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    name='Mark O']LOL.



    A weapon of mass destruction is a nuclear missile I would have thought, I'm sure you're familiar with the massive V2 missile in the Imperial war museum Steve, I am, it sure is scary!


    I think most WMD's are chemical agents. It's really down to usage - one look at Dresden and you might call a old fully-laden Lancaster a WMD...



    Anyone saying Saddam had no WMD's is in lala land as he'd clearly used them in the past... even Chemical Ali admitted it at his trial.

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    name='Tonch']Could there be a more appropriate person to coin such a phrase as Mr Blair?
    It was the Archbishop of Canterbury who first coined it (in 1937). But I suppose that there's no person more appropriate to coin such a phrase - a very in-your-face attention grabbing catch phrase which when examined closely cannot really be pinned down as meaning or standing for anything.



    Steve

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    Tony Blair is ' a blight on our village'.......







    Tony's house



    Tony Blair 'has blighted Buckinghamshire village' - Telegraph

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    The world of Tony Blair Inc

    A staff of 130, turnover in the tens of millions: Tony Blair has created enormous wealth, but nobody knows quite how......







    'His lifestyle involves moving between five-star hotels and mansions'





    The world of Tony Blair Inc - Telegraph

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    See what you get when you are good old God fearing Socialist Guy. Maybe he could hold a big party for the families of the troops who have died in Iraq and Afghanistan.

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    name='julian_craster']Tony Blair is ' a blight on our village'.......







    Tony's house



    Tony Blair 'has blighted Buckinghamshire village' - Telegraph


    So he's blighted their lives because he has to have security like any other former national leader would? And how often is he actually there? What a load of pumped up Tory nonsense. This should go in the hat for none story of the year. I cannot stand Blair and loathe just about everything he stands for and represents, but come off it...

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    name='julian_craster']The world of Tony Blair Inc

    A staff of 130, turnover in the tens of millions: Tony Blair has created enormous wealth, but nobody knows quite how......



    The world of Tony Blair Inc - Telegraph
    Nobody at the Telegraph knows quite how.

    Maybe if they hadn't sacked all their journalists then one of those could have told them



    Steve

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    Tony Blair and the lovely Cherie cannot even fry their breakast bacon and eggs without three fire engines being called out !



    Burnt breakfast sees fire crews sent to Tony Blair's �6m stately home - Telegraph



    To think this buffoon was the PM of our country for 10 years.....



    ' The crew from Haddenham was followed by another from Aylesbury and a third from Thame, Oxon, which was turned back once the first firefighters had arrived. A spokesperson for the Blairs said: "The Blairs were cooking breakfast when the smoke alarm went off. Because they live in a Grade 1 listed building, the smoke alarm is automatically connected to the local fire station, so the fire brigade sprang into action immediately.

    "In fact it was just smoke without a fire but by the time Mrs Blair rang the fire service to tell them they didn't need to come, they were already on their way........'

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