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    Senior Member Country: England faginsgirl's Avatar
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    Hi.



    I didn`t think I would be very interested in this but it`s quite good. It is about the history of churches starting with the first episode `Dark beginnings`.



    There is some beautiful filming in it.



    Here`s the link.





    http://bbc.co.uk/i/tlwfb/



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    Senior Member Country: England darrenburnfan's Avatar
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    Yes, I thought it was quite good too...although mainly about obscure little churches tucked away in the middle of nowhere. It demonstrates how Christianity was overlaid on top of the pagan religions at the time.

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    Administrator Country: Wales Steve Crook's Avatar
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    Another great little programme. Just the sort of thing that BBC4 (and radio 4) specialises in.



    There was a lot in there that even I didn't know, and I completed the "I-Spy Book of Churches"



    Steve

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    Administrator Country: Wales Steve Crook's Avatar
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    Yes, I thought it was quite good too...although mainly about obscure little churches tucked away in the middle of nowhere. It demonstrates how Christianity was overlaid on top of the pagan religions at the time.
    We've mentioned in other threads recently how much in modern Christian celebrations is directly inherited from pre-Christian religions. Things like the hare and the eggs at Easter, even the name "Easter". Yule logs and mistletoe at Christmas, loads of things. The timing of many Christian celebrations is also chosen because that's when people celebrated anyway.



    There is a Yew tree in many British churchyards. But the tree is a lot older than the church. Before the Christians arrived people used to celebrate around the tree. The early Christians noticed this and built their churches next to the tree so that when it rained (as it often does in these islands), people would go into the shelter of the church.



    Early Christians were a very crafty lot



    Steve

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    Senior Member Country: England faginsgirl's Avatar
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    name='darrenburnfan' timestamp='1283683242' post='471365']

    It demonstrates how Christianity was overlaid on top of the pagan religions at the time.


    Yes, literally! Since they said that Pope Gregory had some of the Christian churches built on top of the Pagan worship stones!



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    name='faginsgirl' timestamp='1283683980' post='471375']

    Yes, literally! Since they said that Pope Gregory had the Christian churches built on top of the Pagan worship stones!



    xx
    Well, more usually next to rather than on top of. People might have been annoyed if someone put a building on top of their place of worship. The programme showed one church with an old Celtic standing stone in the churchyard.



    The altar itself is based on the old sacrificial stone



    Steve

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    name='Steve Crook' timestamp='1283683559' post='471368']

    Another great little programme. Just the sort of thing that BBC4 (and radio 4) specialises in.



    There was a lot in there that even I didn't know, and I completed the "I-Spy Book of Churches"



    Steve




    name='Steve Crook' timestamp='1283683919' post='471373']

    We've mentioned in other threads recently how much in modern Christian celebrations is directly inherited from pre-Christian religions. Things like the hare and the eggs at Easter, even the name "Easter". Yule logs and mistletoe at Christmas, loads of things. The timing of many Christian celebrations is also chosen because that's when people celebrated anyway.



    There is a Yew tree in many British churchyards. But the tree is a lot older than the church. Before the Christians arrived people used to celebrate around the tree. The early Christians noticed this and built their churches next to the tree so that when it rained (as it often does in these islands), people would go into the shelter of the church.



    Early Christians were a very crafty lot



    Steve


    Steve, where can I find more information on the book, please?



    Ever since I got involved in Celtic music (from 1992 onwards) I have been very interested in this subject, reading into the British Isles and Ireland before Christian times.





    Has anyone ever read 'The Golden Bough' by J.G. Frazer? I made it my business to bring that - among other books - home with me on my 'pilgrimage' to Ireland in 1995.







    The Golden Bough








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    Administrator Country: Wales Steve Crook's Avatar
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    name='Onedin' timestamp='1283687627' post='471396']

    Steve, where can I find more information on the book, please?
    The I-Spy books were a series of books for children, particularly popular in the 1950s. They were guides to spotting and identifying things in different types of places. They were intended to make children notice things and to learn about things. They covered a wide range of subjects. The first 12 published were:



    I-Spy Creepy Crawlies

    I-Spy Birds

    I-Spy Working Vehicles

    I-Spy Trees

    I-Spy Wild Flowers

    I-Spy On a Car Journey

    I-Spy Nature

    I-Spy Flags

    I-Spy On a Train Journey

    I-Spy Ancient Britain

    I-Spy Classic Cars

    I-Spy Cars



    See the Wikipedia pages or the modern versions published by Michelin



    Steve

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    Thanks, Steve....................sounds like a number of books John Craven OBE wrote in the past - and in my collection.

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    This excellent opening programme is a perfect example of why we MUST protect the BBC from the Philistines. A fascinating half hour which educated and entertained without patronizing or preaching. I look forward to the next installment!

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    Another good bbc4 programme!

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    name='faginsgirl' timestamp='1283681629' post='471355']

    Hi.



    I didn`t think I would be very interested in this but it`s quite good. It is about the history of churches starting with the first episode `Dark beginnings`.



    There is some beautiful filming in it.



    Here`s the link.





    http://bbc.co.uk/i/tlwfb/



    xx


    Loved the first installment FG.....looking forward to the Next one' looks like a great series'...

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