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    Senior Member Country: Spain Rowdon's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by DB7 View Post
    we'll soon have Fox News UK.
    We won't have to watch it, though. There is always the possibility that people simply won't watch it... And if we do watch it, then who can we blame? I mean, I am aware of the danger of a station like Fox news, but if we always watch the station that has most pretty colours and moving shapes, then the problem goes deeper than questions about monopoly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wellendcanons View Post
    Has Cable actually resigned then? I know he walked out last night but I thought his position was being held open. I can't find any news articles that he has resigned. It looks inevitable that he will, I have to say. And now more MP's have been secretly filmed by the Daily Telegraph expressing concerns over welfare reforms and tuition fees. Still, that's the right-wing big business backed Tory press for you. I shouldn't be surprised if Murdoch has full ownership of that newspaper very soon.....

    wec
    As reported in the torygraph article URL you posted, he has been stripped of the power to curtail Murdoch. No doubt, he'll have to announce the decision though so that he can take al the opprobrium from either right or left.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DB7 View Post
    Some seem trapped in the 1950s and probably missed the news about the Berlin wall.
    I like it....!

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    Senior Member Country: UK DB7's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rowdon View Post
    We won't have to watch it, though. There is always the possibility that people simply won't watch it... And if we do watch it, then who can we blame? I mean, I am aware of the danger of a station like Fox news, but if we always watch the station that has most pretty colours and moving shapes, then the problem goes deeper than questions about monopoly.
    That's not really the point. We have broadcasting guidelines on impartiality and Sky New already sails close to the wind on balance.

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    Administrator Country: Wales Steve Crook's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fellwanderer View Post
    Why on arth do you think the tories engineered this honey trap? It was nothing more than an attempt to embarrass Cable and allow for his removal so that they could let Murdoch get away with it. Unfortunately, it succeeded - what an idiot!
    It looks like it was a classic honey trap. I haven't seen any photos of the young lady concerned but hearing extracts from the "interview" she does a lovely act of giggling, simpering and only just holds back from saying "Ooh, aren't you strong and powerful" - and he fell for it

    Steve

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fellwanderer View Post
    Why on arth do you think the tories engineered this honey trap? It was nothing more than an attempt to embarrass Cable and allow for his removal so that they could let Murdoch get away with it. Unfortunately, it succeeded - what an idiot!
    Interestingly Robert Peston who broke the story reckons The Telegraph had no intention of publishing Cable's Murdoch revelations. After all it's not in their interests to help Rupert. They've denied it of course...

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    Senior Member Country: Spain Rowdon's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by DB7 View Post
    That's not really the point. We have broadcasting guidelines on impartiality and Sky New already sails close to the wind on balance.
    Well, there isn't really "the" point, there's only "a" point, and if and when this or another government dismantles whatever obstacles are in the way of X businessman's progress, and impartiality is sacrificed to make sure that this businessman makes more personal profit, then the question arises as to why this businessman can take more of our money from us with bells and whistles than he could with impartiality. We have broadcasting guidelines in the same way that we have human rights - someone struggled and fought and argued to put them there - but if they get in the way of personal profit, then it could really go either way.
    But you already know this, DB7.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rowdon View Post
    Well, there isn't really "the" point, there's only "a" point, and if and when this or another government dismantles whatever obstacles are in the way of X businessman's progress, and impartiality is sacrificed to make sure that this businessman makes more personal profit, then the question arises as to why this businessman can take more of our money from us with bells and whistles than he could with impartiality. We have broadcasting guidelines in the same way that we have human rights - someone struggled and fought and argued to put them there - but if they get in the way of personal profit, then it could really go either way.
    But you already know this, DB7.
    But the Tories have to pay Murdoch back for getting them elected

    Steve

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    Senior Member Country: Spain Rowdon's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Crook View Post
    But the Tories have to pay Murdoch back for getting them elected

    Steve
    "And" rather than "But", I think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wellendcanons View Post
    ... Freethinking ... determining what you stand for and always being true to your ideals and principles ... at the end of the day we have to believe in something or else we have no purpose or identity ...
    OMG! You have said something in a political thread which I agree with!

    IMHO that should also apply to all aspects of one's life and not just politics.

    The hard part is to actually find what your true ideals and principles are ..... this may sound arrogant, but (after a few decades of trying) I have been able to do that and I am now comfortable in what I believe about many different issues. They may seem oddball or cynical to some but they are my beliefs and I will stick to them, unless a new event or idea appears on the scene to make me think again.

    Some people unfortunately never get there and when asked their opinion on various subjects they will often revert to what first influenced them in their lives (as in Rowdon's Einstein quote), or maybe they will repeat verbatim whichever doctrine they are currently following, or perhaps they will simply feedback what they have seen in the papers et al.

    It's a funny old world.

    And that really is my last word on the subject!

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    Night is young and the music�s high
    With a bit of rock music, everything is fine
    You�re in the mood for a dance
    And when you get the chance...

    You are the dancing queen, young and sweet, only seventy
    Dancing queen, feel the beat from the tambourine
    You can dance, you can jive, having the time of your life
    See that girl, watch that scene, dig it the dancing queen

    and when no hope was left in sight on that starry
    starry night.
    You took your life
    as lovers often do;
    But I could have told you
    Vincent
    this world was never
    meant for one
    as beautiful as you.

    Starry
    starry night
    portraits hung in empty halls

    frameless heads on nameless walls
    with eyes
    that watch the world and can't forget.
    Like the stranger that you've met

    the ragged men in ragged clothes

    the silver thorn of bloody rose
    lie crushed and broken
    on the virgin snow.
    And now I think I know what you tried to say to me

    how you suffered for your sanity

    how you tried to set them free.
    They would not listen
    they're not
    list'ning still
    perhaps they never will.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dremble wedge View Post
    Interestingly Robert Peston who broke the story reckons The Telegraph had no intention of publishing Cable's Murdoch revelations. After all it's not in their interests to help Rupert. They've denied it of course...
    That's exactly what I suspected

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    Senior Member Country: UK Moor Larkin's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by dremble wedge View Post
    Interestingly Robert Peston who broke the story reckons The Telegraph had no intention of publishing Cable's Murdoch revelations. After all it's not in their interests to help Rupert. They've denied it of course...
    The Serious Fraud Office could launch an inquiry into BBC business editor Robert Peston's recent string of market-moving banking 'scoops' after David Cameron's Tories raised suspicions that he could have a 'mole' inside 10 Downing Street or the Treasury.
    SFO may launch probe into Peston bank scoops | Media | The Observer

    If its still there, this Mole must be Deep, Deep, Deep under cover .....

    New Government new Murdoch Scandal.....

    The private conversations between Mr Blair and Mr Murdoch have sparked a political row.
    Labour critics claim New Labour is in hock to the Australian-born boss of News Corp.
    Mr Blair has also recently been accused of blocking competition legislation which would have affected Mr Murdoch's policy of cutting the cover price of his newspapers.
    BBC News | Politics | Row over Blair's 'Murdoch intervention'

    At least this time the twin Prime Ministers seem thankfully above the fray. I would imagine Cameroon must be fuming. His soppy One Nation Conservative ethos must detest Murdoch's sort of internationalism almost as much as the lefties, but now he's going to have to be a consummate politician, in every way, to keep the fox in his den.

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    Senior Member Country: Great Britain Mark O's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Crook View Post
    I'm still laughing at his joke about his not being a Tory - because he didn't vote for them a few times when they threatened to cost him more money than the other party. A very Tory thing to do

    Steve
    How many more flippin' times, I AM NOT A TORY.........I always exercise my right to vote, however trivial the election, a bit of diversity on the occasions I make my ticks doesn't make me affiliated to any party, hell, I even used my Union vote to vote for Diane Abbott for goodness sake.

    It seems to me many people don't like diversification in political voting, you either have to be one or the other for life, how narrow-minded.

    Oh, and Fell, I'm a little unclear about the intention of the bawling icon, but I stand by what I say, there's plenty of republics out in the big wide world for those who wish to live in one, the last country to get rid of it's Royal family was Afghanistan in 1973, pretty disastrous what's happened there since wouldn't you agree?

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    Yes, Fell. Go and live in Russia if you like it so much there. All them cornfields and ballet in the evenings

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark O View Post
    How many more flippin' times, I AM NOT A TORY.........I always exercise my right to vote, however trivial the election, a bit of diversity on the occasions I make my ticks doesn't make me affiliated to any party, hell, I even used my Union vote to vote for Diane Abbott for goodness sake.
    It's not who you vote for that makes us think you're a Tory. It's more the way you act and what you say

    Steve

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    Senior Member Country: Great Britain Mark O's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Crook View Post
    No of course not, and no of course not.
    Truth or apologies aren't necessary on his planet.

    Steve
    Hmmm, the post James m was refering to has been removed, I wonder why.

    Apology?........how about an apology to me for words like 'berk', and 'ridiculous' that have been thrown at me lately, I have never insulted anyone on this forum by personal name-calling (apart from a certain ex-member on little tax haven who asked for it because he was below the belt with his insult)

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    Senior Member Country: Great Britain Mark O's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Crook View Post
    It's not who you vote for that makes us think you're a Tory. It's more the way you act and what you say

    Steve
    I can't do right for doing wrong can I Steve, alright, how about I say I'm more than happy for my council tax paying for pensioners free buses?........does that make me Tory?

    Plus supporting 'our boys' and the monarchy doesn't make me Tory either, one of these days you'll be sitting on a crowded tube train and everyone standing and sitting near you will be reading the Daily mail right in front of your face, literally rubbing your nose in it, the thought of that makes me laugh and laugh and laugh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark O View Post
    How many more flippin' times, I AM NOT A TORY.........I always exercise my right to vote, however trivial the election, a bit of diversity on the occasions I make my ticks doesn't make me affiliated to any party, hell, I even used my Union vote to vote for Diane Abbott for goodness sake.

    It seems to me many people don't like diversification in political voting, you either have to be one or the other for life, how narrow-minded.

    Oh, and Fell, I'm a little unclear about the intention of the bawling icon, but I stand by what I say, there's plenty of republics out in the big wide world for those who wish to live in one,
    Simple really - I'm sure I'm not the only one here who finds it hilarious that the holier than thou democrat rants and rages against anyone who dares to voice a view contrary to his rose-tinted view of the monarchy, police and armed forces and tells them they should emigrate. The point of a democracy is that all the citizens are allowed to express their view - perhaps you should talk that on board.

    PS - your beloved USA got rid of a king.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fellwanderer View Post
    Simple really - I'm sure I'm not the only one here who finds it hilarious that the holier than thou democrat rants and rages against anyone who dares to voice a view contrary to his rose-tinted view of the monarchy, police and armed forces and tells them they should emigrate. The point of a democracy is that all the citizens are allowed to express their view - perhaps you should talk that on board.

    PS - your beloved USA got rid of a king.

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