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    I reaally like this film, I like the actors in it and to me Stephen Fry`s `Wilde` doesn`t touch it. Even though his acting was good, I just couldn`t get past Stephen`s hair in that one.

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    Love it. Particularly Lionel Jeffries.
    Quote Originally Posted by faginsgirl View Post
    I reaally like this film, I like the actors in it and to me Stephen Fry`s `Wilde` doesn`t touch it. Even though his acting was good, I just couldn`t get past Stephen`s hair in that one.

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    Yes, Lionel was very convincing as the angry father.

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    Quote Originally Posted by faginsgirl View Post
    I reaally like this film, I like the actors in it and to me Stephen Fry`s `Wilde` doesn`t touch it. Even though his acting was good, I just couldn`t get past Stephen`s hair in that one.
    Which was the most like the real Oscar Wilde?





    I think Stephen Fry wins every time

    Steve

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    The Morley film does go into some detail about what he was on trial for. The Fry film does everything it can to put him back in the closet, giving the impression that his sole motivation for his regular attendance at male brothels was a desire to read poetry to the employees

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Crook View Post
    Which was the most like the real Oscar Wilde?





    I think Stephen Fry wins every time




    Steve

    I agree Steve. His relationship with his wife was covered in a very good way, and I thought Jennifer Ehlie did a great job in being the bewildered wife. Plus, Stephen Fry looked like Oscar Wilde.

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    I agree that Trials was much better IMHO although I did know very little about the trials before I saw it. Wilde merges his own two trials into one IIRC and spends a lot of time implying that the Wilde/Douglas relationship was all about poetry and art.

    I'd like to see the Robert Morley film but haven't got round to mgetting a copy yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Crook View Post
    Which was the most like the real Oscar Wilde?





    I think Stephen Fry wins every time

    Steve
    I agree, Stephen Fry looks a lot like Wilde. But that doesn`t mean I don`t find his hair annoying

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    Are you a short back and sides kinda Girl, Shirl?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elaine View Post
    Are you a short back and sides kinda Girl, Shirl?
    Well, not as short as your Dirk.

    And that reminds me of that film, don`t call me Shirley (that`s not my name )

    Michelle xx

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elaine View Post
    I agree Steve. His relationship with his wife was covered in a very good way, and I thought Jennifer Ehlie did a great job in being the bewildered wife. Plus, Stephen Fry looked like Oscar Wilde.
    Not just looked like him, Stephen Fry is much more like Oscar Wilde than anyone else who's ever played him. Playwright, author, wit, all round clever-clogs. Wilde was the role that Stephen was born to play.

    The 1960 film focussed on the trial, as is appropriate given its title. The 1997 film gave more of a picture of his complete life

    Steve
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Crook View Post
    Not just looked like him, Stephen Fry is much more like Oscar Wilde than anyone else who's ever played him.
    How do you know? Did he come to you as a ghost?

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    Quote Originally Posted by faginsgirl View Post
    How do you know?
    It's called "research", reading about a person

    Steve

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Crook View Post
    It's called "research", reading about a person

    Steve
    However it doesn't necessarily make it the best film. I thought the Fry film was a bit of a whitewash (presumably to make it palatably to more conservative audiences in other coutries). I'd like to see a dramatisation of the Wilde story that, rather than showing him as some sort of martyr, really made it clear how appallingly he treated his wife and children . Would he be seen so sympathetically if he'd been serially unfaithful with teenage girls?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainWaggett View Post
    However it doesn't necessarily make it the best film. I thought the Fry film was a bit of a whitewash (presumably to make it palatably to more conservative audiences in other coutries). I'd like to see a dramatisation of the Wilde story that, rather than showing him as some sort of martyr, really made it clear how appallingly he treated his wife and children . Would he be seen so sympathetically if he'd been serially unfaithful with teenage girls?
    I suppose it depends which you think is the most important, a person's personal life and habits or their work. There are others I can think of who produced an amazing body of work of great artistic merit but who were regularly unfaithful to their wives and even to their mistresses

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Crook View Post
    I suppose it depends which you think is the most important, a person's personal life and habits or their work. There are others I can think of who produced an amazing body of work of great artistic merit but who were regularly unfaithful to their wives and even to their mistresses

    Steve
    But people don't make films about what an amazing writer Wilde was. They make films about the trials - and the Fry film does everything it can to suggest that all he got up to was a bit of poetry reading as some sort of outreach work among the poor With the suggestion that his wife just didn't understand him

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    Nickolas Grace was, as ever, good value as Oscar in Salome's Last Dance.

    I would have liked to see Dennis Price have a go...

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    Quote Originally Posted by dremble wedge View Post
    Nickolas Grace was, as ever, good value as Oscar in Salome's Last Dance.

    I would have liked to see Dennis Price have a go...
    You say that about everything : Last week Christopher Columbus, this week Oscar Wilde, next week Mrs Tiggywinkle

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainWaggett View Post
    But people don't make films about what an amazing writer Wilde was.
    And what a tragedy that is. It's the same with print biographies. Publishers are only interested if the person has been involved in some scandal

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainWaggett View Post
    You say that about everything : Last week Christopher Columbus, this week Oscar Wilde, next week Mrs Tiggywinkle
    It is a truth universally acknowledged, that a film with Dennis Price is better than a film without*

    Although Dennis sort of did play Wilde in Kind Hearts... in my world.








    *also applicable to other actors

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