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    Justice Minister Alan Shatter says 'doors to state were kept firmly closed to Jews fleeing Hitler' while UK took thousands

    Sorry for way 'deserter' Irish soldiers fighting for allies were treated

    They were barred from jobs and state pensions on their return

    Links two issues and hints at upcoming official pardon

    Ireland has admitted for the first time that its 'morally bankrupt' regime of the 1930s denied visas to desperate Jews trying to escape from Nazi persecution.

    Justice Minister Alan Shatter said that, following Adolf Hitler's rise to power, Ireland's anti-semitic Berlin ambassador Charles Bewley ensured 'the doors to this state were kept firmly closed to German Jewish families trying to flee'.

    The admission came as he apologised for the way brave soldiers who 'deserted' the Irish Army to fight with the Allies during the Second World War were treated.

    He suggested the 4,983 servicemen, who were barred from jobs and State pensions on their return and condemned to poverty and stigma for the rest of their lives, were now likely to receive an official pardon.'

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz1kcf79DGc
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    Irish 'deserters' blacklisted for helping Britain fight Hitler


    'The young airman was desperate to be back with his family and friends at the end of the war. He had done his bit to see off Hitler and make the world a safer place. His one wish now was to be home with ‘my people’. But, instead of a hero’s welcome, what Irishman Martin Walsh feared was being arrested and locked up.

    ‘Sir,’ he wrote plaintively from England to the authorities in Dublin in 1946, ‘I wish to return as a free Irish citizen once more, without detention or punishment. I would like to have my freedom in Eire and not be caged up like a bird when I go home.’

    He sought a written pass ‘to protect me from the military and the police’. His ‘crime’? Leaving Ireland and crossing the water to join the British forces in the struggle against Nazi Germany. It left him in a cruel limbo that, 65 years later, is still scandalously unresolved.

    Walsh and thousands of adventurous youngsters were technically deserters. They had enlisted in the Irish Defence Force but with no enemy to fight because of their country’s decision to stay neutral in World War II, they had chosen to slip away to Britain, join up and fight. After donning British uniforms, some risked their lives on battlefields from Dunkirk to El Alamein and D-Day to Arnhem. Others faced death daily on bomber missions over Germany or suffered the unspeakable hell of Japanese prison camps.

    Some — such as Corporal Edward Browne, who was awarded the Military Medal for storming a German machine gun position in Normandy, Bren gun blazing from his hip — paid for their bravery with their lives and would never see Ireland again.

    Those who survived had every reason to be proud of their contribution to the liberation of Europe from the Nazi menace. But in their homeland they were now outcasts.’


    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz1kcfiQAln
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    Their treatment was an utter disgrace.

    Heroes every one, they were and are the best of Ireland and both Britain and Ireland should be celebrating these wonderful men.

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    Touching stories unearthed by the (evil, tory) Daily Mail. Not the usual "I did Britain a favour"
    but the realisation by some, that if Britain had fell, Hitler would have been stomping and
    dictating all over Ireland as well.


    Wasn't Devilera the first (and last) leader to send condolences over Hitler's death?

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    They deserted and were blacklisted, hundreds of British deserters were executed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DB7 View Post
    hundreds of British deserters were executed.
    In World War II?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainWaggett View Post
    In World War II?
    No, I was talking of the crime of desertion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ayrshireman View Post
    Justice Minister Alan Shatter says 'doors to state were kept firmly closed to Jews fleeing Hitler' while UK took thousands



    Ireland has admitted for the first time that its 'morally bankrupt' regime of the 1930s denied visas to desperate Jews trying to escape from Nazi persecution.

    Justice Minister Alan Shatter said that, following Adolf Hitler's rise to power, Ireland's anti-semitic Berlin ambassador Charles Bewley ensured 'the doors to this state were kept firmly closed to German Jewish families trying to flee'.

    The admission came as he apologised for the way brave soldiers who 'deserted' the Irish Army to fight with the Allies during the Second World War were treated.

    He suggested the 4,983 servicemen, who were barred from jobs and State pensions on their return and condemned to poverty and stigma for the rest of their lives, were now likely to receive an official pardon.'

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz1kcf79DGc


    I think Sinn Fein translates as 'Ourselves Alone' ?

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    It translates as We Ourselves......

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    Let's keep the Irish bashing here in perspective... Ireland wasn't the only state to reject fleeing Jews.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GRAEME View Post
    Let's keep the Irish bashing here in perspective... Ireland wasn't the only state to reject fleeing Jews.

    Eh ? what are you on about?

    Nobody is bashing anybody, the British were generally regarded a barbaric,war mongering heathens in certain parts of Ireland so its articles like this that prove that we were not all bad

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    An urecognised as Irish war hero. Major Mannock was born in Southern Ireland, his mother brought him over to the UK in his teens to join the very new Royal Air Force. Members of my family knew his Mother when she eventually settled in London.

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