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    This particular "B" crime drama from 1963 was shown regularly on late night TV until about 10 - 12 years ago. After the credits, the opening sequence was a sideways silhouette taken at twilight of a Diesel Multiple Unit [DMU] [the trains where you could see the track ahead and driver at the controls from the passenger area behind - all now withdrawn from passenger service except on preserved lines] in motion on a distant embankment. After this, the scene changes to the booking hall [on locaton or studio set-up?] of Bricket Wood station on the St Albans Abbey branch - clearly labelled on one of the old BR enamel signs of the time using Gill Sans lettering. I did have this film on video but mislaid it somewhere. The last time it was shown the silhouette sequence had been edited out. Can anyone provide details of the title/director/film company/music director?

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    Do you remember what the plot was?

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    Apart from the fact it was a murder mystery, I'm sorry I don't.

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    A wild guess at Murder She Said with Margaret Rutherford.
    Quote Originally Posted by twinrover View Post
    Apart from the fact it was a murder mystery, I'm sorry I don't.

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    Wikipedia gives Bricket Wood station as a featured location in Jaques Touneur's "Night of the Demon" (1957-a bit too early) or a bit after that (1962) a comedy-murder-mystery 'Maid for Murder' with Bob Monkhouse


    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0056478/


    Our question-setter refers to a DMU (Diesel Multiple Unit) train which would have been very familiar on the St.Alban's Abbey branch line, but not so much on the express route out of Paddington named as the specific line for filming in Murder She Said, since the producers faithfully set the film out of Paddington to link in with the proper '4.50 from Paddington' original title of Agatha Christie's novel. You could only get from Paddington to St.Albans very tortuously in those days even on the pre-Beeching network


    John Huntley's 'Railways in the Cinema' hardback book

    http://www.amazon.co.uk/Railways-Cin.../dp/0711001154

    could give some clues but it so way out of printing that a copy to find will be difficult

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    Quote Originally Posted by twinrover View Post
    This particular "B" crime drama from 1963 was shown regularly on late night TV until about 10 - 12 years ago.
    These are all categorised as 'Crime' in Wikipedia's List of British films of 1963:

    The Break, Calculated Risk; Clash by Night; The Girl Hunters; The Hi-Jackers;
    The Informers; A Place to Go; The Switch; To Have and to Hold; and West 11.

    Is it any of them? I don't know why Offbeat is included as it was released two years earlier.

    Their profile for Bricket Wood railway station says Night of the Demon and She'll Have to Go (starring Bob Monkhouse) were filmed there.

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    The opening sequence from Night of The Demon doesn't show a train if my memory serves me correctly, and my only other thought was Terror On A Train (Time Bomb) but that was 50's rather than 60's. Do we know if this is a colour film or black and white ?.

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    http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/ind...-in-the-media/

    A railway expert on one of the enthusiasts' specialist railsites affirms one of the early 'Danger Man' episodes features the specific type of railway car filmed at Bricket Wood station. Could we all be on a wild goose chase thinking its a feature film we're looking for ?

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    The Sanctuary was the Danger Man episode from 1959:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpxp7...e_gdata_player

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    Thanks for the interest so far. "Murder She Said" was, I believe, an "A" feature and featured express locomotive hauled trains. This film also had an elaborate orchestral score by Ron Goodwin which included the up tempo "Baroque twist" strings theme still played today on radio and by amateur orchestras. The film I am referring to was most definitely in black and white and in the Merton Park/Bryanston Films/Lance Comfort style, certainly not one of a TV series with a distinctive branding.

    Generally speaking, some of the directors were young film students [others quite elderly with a theatrical background] and budgets were tight resulting in many sequences being filmed in the street. The music, if any, would have been the small combo jazz sound including one or two guitars with music by composers such as Johnny Gregory, Martin Slavin, John Barry, Laurie Johnson and even the avant-gardist Elizabeth Lutyens. These films were regularly shown in London during the 1960s in cinemas [including Saturday morning pictures] and then on TV, when I was growing up, during the mid-evening slot by the progressive Rediffusion ITV station despite having AA or even X certificates. Then, again, when daytime TV started to develop in the early 1970s. The last spurt of transmissions was about 10-15 years ago late night but the films were subject to quite nasty and sarcastic reviews by the provincial "cool" media studies types that followed the text book mantra that all British music and culture before 1963 was naff. The London Time Out reviewer was a particular example of these dreadful people - if he had bothered to check the films included atmospheric street scenes of London, classic cars, public transport vehicles and social conditions, some worse: some better than today. No wonder the Time Out readership collapsed as it spent most of its time prattling on about Las Vegas - yawn yawn - and snorting cocaine - boring boring - than about anything ordinary Londoners aspired to although I have to say it had more admirable and relevant, London focused intentions when launched in the early 70s.

    Returning to our film, I'm not sure if it had any music, after all. "Don't Talk To Strange Men" [1961] didn't and was still a success. Regarding the DMU, the train was longer than 2 cars and from what I remember included two sets of three coupled together. The exhaust smoke from the vertical pipes at the ends of the carriages was also a prominent feature of the sequence. To open a film with a sideways motion sequence of a DMU at twilight was original and typical of the austere beauty which these films tend to demonstrate. I worked for London Transport and then later in one of the privatised bus units/companies as a PR Manager in the 80s and 90s and whenever I needed to do any press photoshoots I would use a quiet location such as a particular bus stand in the Elephant & Castle [not now, of course!] which was out of the way and would not interfere with general running of the service or upset operating staff/neighbours. Bricket Wood, which had been threatened with closure at the time by Beeching, was one of these stations and obviously used for this purpose by the London Midland Region press people; the passing loop also enabled any normal train to pass without being delayed by camera crew and actors, and the location was near to London. I used to charge a hefty fee for film work in bus garages but back in 63 it might just have been a nominal sum to cover expenses. Sorry, I wasn't hallucinating: the film was from 1963, the DMU sequence was a moving silhouette at twilight although not necessarily in the vicinity of Bricket Wood and the Gill Sans sign depicted Bricket Wood. Apart from this there were no more railway references in the film. The duration of the film was just over an hour. Hope somebody can unravel this one!

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    Because my old log book noting a number of B movies has resurfaced following a clearout, I am now able to answer my own question. The film is "Impact" [1963], which was [last?] shown on Channel 4, on 14th June 2000 between 0315 and 0415. My notes state that the initial train sequence at twilight had been edited out. I understand this film has been subsequently released on DVD - has the sequence been retained in this format, please?

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    Oh I do love a happy ending. :)

    There's a clip of the opening five minutes of the film here:

    http://www.renownfilms.co.uk/thrille...ena-p-184.html

    It shows Brickett Wood station but unfortunately not the scene you describe.

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