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    My glass is always half empty.....



    cheers Ollie.

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    Originally posted by ollie@May 22 2005, 05:22 PM

    My glass is always half empty....



    cheers Ollie.
    I don't look at my glass and ask myself if it's half empty or half full. No. I just think, "This ain't what I bloody ordered in the first place " !



    (Plagiarised from todays Sunda y Times)

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    If that's the case then you're not being pessimistic enough



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    Get Carter is probably the ultimate example of why Hollywood shouldn't try and remake British Films. Sly Stallone? in Seattle?

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    Originally posted by Steve Crook@May 22 2005, 04:51 PM

    At least when you're a pessimist you know that things can only get better



    Steve
    Pessimism is a part of British film culture that the yanks can't get near! Thankfully!

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    I noticed only recently after many viewings that the guy that is travelling in the compartment with Carter at the beginning of the film is the assassin at the end. Very subtle as most viewers wouldnt have noticed this



    If it was an American made film a lot more would have been made of this, i.e. As Carter walked out they would cut to the guy looking on suspiciously and rubbing his chin pensively to the accompanament of some 'mysterious' music. Cue cries of 'Who's that bloke? and 'Dunno'. During the middle there would be the, 'So where's that bloke, then?' Then at the end there would be the 'Oh shit so that's who it is? By Jiminy what a great ending!'

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    Originally posted by jacobean@May 23 2005, 08:02 AM

    I noticed only recently after many viewings that the guy that is travelling in the compartment with Carter at the beginning of the film is the assassin at the end. Very subtle as most viewers wouldnt have noticed this



    If it was an American made film a lot more would have been made of this, i.e. As Carter walked out they would cut to the guy looking on suspiciously and rubbing his chin pensively to the accompanament of some 'mysterious' music. Cue cries of 'Who's that bloke? and 'Dunno'. During the middle there would be the, 'So where's that bloke, then?' Then at the end there would be the 'Oh shit so that's who it is? By Jiminy what a great ending!'
    I'm one who never noticed it. Was it planned or did they just save a few quid on extras and have the same bloke doing two parts?

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    (michael dangero @ Aug 10 2004, 02:07 PM)

    Hello,

    I'm new to this site, and the first thing I read was your piece on Mike Hodges' "Get Carter" and found it, like "Get Carter" very enjoyable. A few years ago I had the distinct pleasure of watching "Get Carter" for the first time ever in the best theatre in Hollywood, The Egyptian. I was blown away. So, much so that I went back a few days later and, after watching it the second time, I purchased the Roy Budd soundtrack. Further, Mike Hodges attended and did a fascinating Q & A.

    Having just finished reading your article on "Performance", I am intrigued to rent and watch both of these titles again.

    Your future posts, as well past ones, I look forward to reading. I hope you don't mind, but I have added you to my buddy list.

    Respectfully,

    michael dangero
    The Roy Budd score is fantastic, Michael. I hope that it's whetted your appetite for more jazzy movie music.

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    (djdave @ Apr 20 2006, 11:28 AM)

    The Roy Budd score is fantastic, Michael. I hope that it's whetted your appetite for more jazzy movie music.
    More particularly, more Roy Budd film music !



    SMUDGE

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    (smudge @ Apr 20 2006, 08:37 PM)

    More particularly, more Roy Budd film music !



    SMUDGE


    Absolutely, Smudge



    Everyone should check out Get Budd: The Soundtracks (Castle Music) for a double CD of cool, 70s jazz grooves.

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    I always thought Carter is set up right from the start, I mean they are on to him straight away, in the opening credits with Carter travelling in the train up North sitting opposite him on the train is the sniper hit man who kills him at the end. Blink and you will miss him, its definitely him though! Intriguing.

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    Hi,

    DB7 said this "Its story of a London gangster going home to Newcastle to avenge his murdered brother ".

    I have to take a alternative view of this film, which I feel has been misinterpreted by many people.

    This is not a revenge film, it is a film about a persons violent endeavours to protect his family name and in doing so head off any people who might think that Jack Carter is for the taking.

    First of all Carter really has no love for his brother. He had a affair with his brothers wife and as said in the film, Carter's brother did not even know if the child was his own.

    Jack Carter is cold, make no mistake about that the killing of his brother is only a danger to himself, if he is not seen to do anything about this attack on his family, he surely will be next in line.

    Secondly when he watches the pornographic film in the apartment, he was quiet happy to watch this movie with a school girl or women dressed up as school girl, until the identity of the girl has become apparent to himself.

    It has become clear to me only after many viewings that I have become very cynical about this movie and can see no good in what Jack Carter is trying to do.

    If this was purely a moral revenge story based on a man going after the killer of this brother, then I might of had some sympathy for this gangster.

    There is one scene where he pushes Cliff Brumby off the multi story only to land on a car, which looks to be carrying a family, a small girl is seen to be carried out from the rear of the wreckage but the front part of the car is crushed and whoever was in the front of car is now dead.

    Innocents killed in Carter's frenzied attack on the area of Newcastle.

    Because, that is how I feel about this movie,Carter is a man who is determined to become powerful within the british mafia style movement and anyone who messes with his name,will come under his hammer.

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    Your reading of the film isn't necessarily out of line with the statement that Carter is out for revenge. That there is an element of revenge in what he does, is not to say he is a nice or moral man. Quite the reverse.



    What exactly is a "moral revenge story"? What is moral about revenge? It is certainly not viewed as moral from a "Christian" point of view - or a legal one either. It is law of the jungle - and Carter is a big beast!



    He is a vicious amoral thug. But you don't mess with him and his - there's an element of respect involved, as you suggest. By revenging his brother - he makes himself more unassailable. I don't think Jack would understand the distinction.



    He does seem genuinely shaken seeing his niece (daughter? Possibly.) in the porn film - he appears to cry! So there is something human there - it would be strange if there wasn't. Of course he doesn't give a tinkers about anybody else's niece or daughter.



    Jack isn't a psychopath - he's a hardened criminal who will kill if he has to and doesn't care about the consequences to innocent people. He is the British equivilant of Richard Stark's Parker.



    The villians in Get Carter are just as bad. They all deserve locking up or topping.



    It's the little people yopu sympathise with, I think. Alun Armstrong's horribly used little guy; Britt's trapped moll; the sexually frustrated landlady.



    Following Jack is a wonderful ride through a vividly painted time and place. But Carter himself is the ultimate anti-hero. Apart from his cool - there are no redeeming features.

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    Is it my imagination or is this film on practically every week of the year? Literally.

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    Yes, both the origional and the one with Sly Stall ( ) has been on too, the origional does seem to be on quite a lot! It was filmed in Newcastle/Gateshead not far from me and I love seeing the old streets that are in it.



    xx

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    The FIRST blaxploitation remake Hit Man (1972) is often on TCM - think it was this week! It stars Bernie Casey and Pam Grier. It's practically a scene for scene remake and is miles better than the Stallone version.



    But then, so is syphillis...

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    Yes, both the origional and the one with Sly Stall ( ) has been on too, the origional does seem to be on quite a lot! It was filmed in Newcastle/Gateshead not far from me and I love seeing the old streets that are in it.



    xx
    when are they going to pull the car park down ? i remember gateshead like that as well ,

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    Very soon apparently but its been on and off for years, I think maybe somebody`s frightened of making a decision.



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    its a fantastic film ,one of my all time faves ,what i read was ian hendry would give verbal abuse to michael caine offset [the drink talking ] but caine never responded until the cameras were rolling ,where you can sense genuine animosity between the two over and above whats in the script

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    they can show it as many times as they like as long as its the original and not the usa crap i.e

    get carter,italian job,alfie etc

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    its a fantastic film ,one of my all time faves ,what i read was ian hendry would give verbal abuse to michael caine offset [the drink talking ] but caine never responded until the cameras were rolling ,where you can sense genuine animosity between the two over and above whats in the script


    That's largely due because Ian Hendry wanted the main role of Carter for himself. It would have been interesting to see what Hendry would have made of it as I reckon he was a good actor. Sadly Hendry liked a drink - and lots of it. Get Carter was made in 1971. Hendry was in an episode of "The Sweeney" with Brian Blessed. That must have been made in about 1975. You can see that Hendry had obviously aged due to the drink. Shame as he was just one of those faces of the sixtes/seventies I've always liked as an actor..

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