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    That's largely due because Ian Hendry wanted the main role of Carter for himself. It would have been interesting to see what Hendry would have made of it as I reckon he was a good actor. Sadly Hendry liked a drink - and lots of it. Get Carter was made in 1971. Hendry was in an episode of "The Sweeney" with Brian Blessed. That must have been made in about 1975. You can see that Hendry had obviously aged due to the drink. Shame as he was just one of those faces of the sixtes/seventies I've always liked as an actor..
    yep he certainly was a good actor ,shame he became an alchoholic ,the way i read it was that to ian hendry ,michael caine was everything he could have been , or in other words jealousy being the reason for the abuse

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    i love this film.some of the scenes were actually filmed in nmy town of Hebburn,tyne & wear,any more get carter fans

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    YES! Favourite scene? High Level Bridge with that poor Mk2 Jag!

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    Hi,

    DB7 said this "Its story of a London gangster going home to Newcastle to avenge his murdered brother ".



    I have to take a alternative view of this film, which I feel has been misinterpreted by many people.



    This is not a revenge film, it is a film about a persons violent endeavours to protect his family name and in doing so head off any people who might think that Jack Carter is for the taking.



    First of all Carter really has no love for his brother. He had a affair with his brothers wife and as said in the film, Carter's brother did not even know if the child was his own.

    Jack Carter is cold, make no mistake about that the killing of his brother is only a danger to himself, if he is not seen to do anything about this attack on his family, he surely will be next in line.

    Secondly when he watches the pornographic film in the apartment, he was quiet happy to watch this movie with a school girl or women dressed up as school girl, until the identity of the girl has become apparent to himself.

    It has become clear to me only after many viewings that I have become very cynical about this movie and can see no good in what Jack Carter is trying to do.

    If this was purely a moral revenge story based on a man going after the killer of this brother, then I might of had some sympathy for this gangster.

    There is one scene where he pushes Cliff Brumby off the multi story only to land on a car, which looks to be carrying a family, a small girl is seen to be carried out from the rear of the wreckage but the front part of the car is crushed and whoever was in the front of car is now dead.

    Innocents killed in Carter's frenzied attack on the area of Newcastle.

    Because, that is how I feel about this movie,Carter is a man who is determined to become powerful within the british mafia style movement and anyone who messes with his name,will come under his hammer.

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    Hmmm. I disagree that Carter has no love for his brother. There's the scene where he goes to see the body the night before the funeral and holds his dead brother's hand...Or when he gives Doreen the money and offers psuedo fatherly advice about boys....Or the anguished fury in his voice when he says, "I'm the villain in the family!" (the implication being his brother was a good guy who didn't deserve what happened to him)....And of course there's the great scene when he sees Doreen in the porno, figures out what must have happened, and cries.



    Carter could never rise to the top of the British mafia, because, despite his ruthless charm, ultimately his worst enemy is himself. With a weakness for women, he repeatedly sabatoges himself (and his relationships with others), first by sleeping with his brother's wife and later his boss' girlfriend.

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    A pal of mine asked me if there was more than one version of "Get Carter" (i.e. different edit). A version he recently watched on cable in the U.s. did not tally with his memory of the UK original. Anybody know ?

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    A pal of mine asked me if there was more than one version of "Get Carter" (i.e. different edit). A version he recently watched on cable in the U.s. did not tally with his memory of the UK original. Anybody know ?
    Well there was the 2000 remake. But we don't talk about that



    The IMDb records a few variations in the 1971 original



    # Due to deep accents of some characters, the film was partially dubbed for the US release to allow Americans to understand what the characters on screen were saying.



    # The UK cinema release was cut to get an "X" rating by the BBFC with the stabbing of Albert edited to remove some shots of the knife. Director Mike Hodges later admitted that "The less you see of the knife, the more effective the scene is". The cuts were waived in 1993.



    # According to director Mike Hodges on the R2 commentary, when ITV first showed the film, the phone sex scene had been shortened.



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    A pal of mine asked me if there was more than one version of "Get Carter" (i.e. different edit). A version he recently watched on cable in the U.s. did not tally with his memory of the UK original. Anybody know ?
    when this film used to be shown in the 80s on bbc they edited any violence out of it ,made the film look stupid really the way it jumped from one scene to another . the version that turns up on tv thats different to the original is the one with the pre credit sequence dubbed to suit american tastes [ i think they got dick van dike to do his cockerney accent again ] . if you buy the dvd you can hear the right and wrong version on the audio options .

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    Thank You Mr. Crook and davidb - i'll inform my pal.

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    Now, as everybody knows Get Carter was based on Ted Lewis's excellent little gangster thriller novel Jack's Return Home.



    But I picked up an old second hand copy in paperback recently with Michael Caine in various shots from the film on the cover. It was a 1971 printing and it is entitled: "Carter".



    No "Get" in sight!



    Michael Caine and Geraldine Moffatt as they appear in a scene from MGM/EMI's new film CARTER


    it says under a pic of the bathroom scene.



    I wonder at what point the more effective "Get Carter" became current? Obviously this film tie in paperback was released at a slightly earlier stage. Are there any posters for "Carter" floating about out there?



    It is a UK paperback by the way - price 5/ or 25p!

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    This is from a Get Carter website ....



    "Ted Lewis's novel Jack's Return Home. That was its title when it was sent to me in 1969 with an offer to script and direct it as my first cinema flick. It was to star Michael Caine. Carter's The Name topped the title page on my first draft. The novel was duly published in 1970 with its original title: then republished in 1971 as Carter. Strange, because by then the film was out and was called Get Carter."



    Mike Hodges from an interview in Crime Time magazine. The above extract would imply it was Hodges (who wrote the screenplay) who christened the film Get Carter.

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    Thanks for that Bats!



    Obviously a cock-up on the planning front in the merchandising and publicity dept. Or a delay at the printers. Daft to have a film tie-in novel displaying and advertising the wrong film title!

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    Didn't Ted Lewis have something to do with "Yellow Submarine" as well ?

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    Didn't Ted Lewis have something to do with "Yellow Submarine" as well ?
    So it says on Wiki, but no mention on IMDB. Anybody know for sure?



    Jack Carter returned for two more Lewis novels - Jack Carter and the Law (a.k.a. Jack Carter's Law) and Jack Carter and the Mafia Pigeon .



    His ending in the original novel is more ambiguous than in the film.

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    So it says on Wiki, but no mention on IMDB. Anybody know for sure?
    He worked in animation for part of his career and this entry claims that was his contribution to Yellow Submarine:-

    Ted Lewis and the books

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    One of ex-patients (now deceased) was an animator on Yellow Submarine. She drew me a lovely picture of a cat which is proudly displayed in my house.

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    One of my all time favourites that's for sure. It's thoroughly stripped down, bleak and raw style set's it apart from anything else in my opinion. Ian Hendry is particularly brilliant as the slimey, slippery Eric.

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    One of my all time favourites that's for sure. It's thoroughly stripped down, bleak and raw style set's it apart from anything else in my opinion. Ian Hendry is particularly brilliant as the slimey, slippery Eric.


    "You know, I'd almost forgotten what your eyes looked like. They're still the same. Pissholes in the snow."

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    "You know, I'd almost forgotten what your eyes looked like. They're still the same. Pissholes in the snow."
    I don't think TicTac deserved that Roger.



    Get Carter is a superb film Absolutely brilliant. I don't think Michael Caine has made a better one. And he's made some good ones. He's made some bad ones too........



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    I don't think TicTac deserved that Roger.



    Get Carter is a superb film Absolutely brilliant. I don't think Michael Caine has made a better one. And he's made some good ones. He's made some bad ones too........wellendcanons.
    It's a fine piece of acting on his part, that's for sure. The first time that I saw it I can remember being so shocked by the ending.

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    I was very impressed with the cast of Get Carter in general, but I think Geraldine Moffatt was superb as the girl who seemed to be with Michael Caine, until he realized she was part of the child porn industry that he was trying to expose. Ian Hendry was also brilliant in his role too and both Bryan Mosely and Glynn Edwards were excellent as well. I loved the scene where George Sewell and Tony Beckley were forced at gunpoint by a naked Caine to go into the street whilst a passing procession marches by.



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