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    2001 A Space Odyssey�Director Stanley Kubrik�MGM Elstree�

    I�m on the film for one day doubling for one of the main actors.

    All I had to do was walk across the Moon surface in a spacesuit.

    It took me twelve hours (multi takes) but It was still a year away before the

    American�s did it for real in 69�




    Aitch,

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    Despite all the information/publicity etc on this film-does anybody know how the leading actors got their roles? Did Keir Dullea audition whilst in London making "Bunny Lake" (the same year-1965-that 2001 started shooting) & Gary Lockwood get his part because he was in "Spartacus"?



    I remember sitting in the Casino, London in July 1968 watching this film-forty years on & still have great memories!

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    I'm sorry Clive, I can't answer your questions, but like you I can still remember sitting with my friends (all about 15 at the time and very much into SF and space travel) in the Odeon in 1968, absolutely transfixed by this film.

    The precision of the effects was astonishing at the time, and even modern computer graphics would struggle to do any better.

    We've got this film on DVD, but we keep waiting for the 'right time' to view it.

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    Keir Dullea was recently at a New York City screening of "Bunny Lake Is Missing" and recalled while shooting that film he received the news from his agent that Kubrick wanted him to star in his next movie. He described it as the one happy day in an otherwise anxiety-filled experience. Dullea didn't mention anything about an audition. I suspect he landed the role on the basis of his performance in "David and Lisa."



    Dullea was quick to confirm Otto Preminger's well-known reputation as a tyrant (no surprise there.) At one point Laurence Oliver beseeched him to "go easy on the children," meaning Dullea and Carol Lynley. Herr Preminger retorted that he was too old to change his ways.

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    ........We've got this film on DVD, but we keep waiting for the 'right time' to view it.
    It's nice to have it on DVD, but the only 'right time' to view it is in Super Panavision70 on a curved Cinerama screen. That will really re-create the original Casino experience for you.



    There's a new print out that was shown at the NMM in March.

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    To Reeldigger & Narabdela



    Thanks for the replies! Apart from the Casino experience I've seen this film another 3 times in 70mm and a couple of times in ordinary scope (35mm). Yes, as u say the real experience is seeing it as it should be on the Cinerama screen, alas, here in "progressive" Adelaide, the IMAX theatre was closed down a few years ago so that puts paid to any chance of that!

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    Dear Clive T - IMAX is nothing like Cinerama. About your original question, the new DVD of 2001 has a commentary by Dullea and Lockwood which you should find interesting. As for Adelaide being "progressive," well, I've been there and have a brother living there and I reckon it's a better place to live than anywhere in the UK.

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    Warner Bros Responds: 17 Minutes of

    Almost like discovering a monolith buried underground, Warner Brothers recently found 17 minutes of lost footage from Stanley Kubrick�s masterpiece 2001: A Space Odyssey in a salt-mine vault in Kansas. But before you go and drop acid in anticipation of an extended cut of the film, consider the slippery slope this footage constitutes. One, just because the footage was found doesn�t necessarily mean it�s going to make it into the public eye. Two, Kubrick himself reportedly cut the footage from the film because he felt it created pacing issues. And three, the film is just about perfect as is, do you really want to screw it up?

    Hit the jump for more details on the footage as well as what it might contain.

    The Film Stage first alerted us to the news of this footage. They point us to a reports from Forgotten Silver and Blastr about an event in Toronto where Douglas Trumbull and David Larson, who were working on the now canceled documentary 2001: Beyond the Infinite: The Making of a Masterpiece, mentioned the footage had been found in perfect condition. Though they weren�t sure what the plans for the footage are, they did show images of never before seen scenes that will be in an upcoming photo book. It was unclear if these images were from the found footage or not.

    According the 2001 IMDB page, when the film premiered in 1968, it ran 160 minutes. Kubrick then went in and trimmed a good 19 minutes or so. It�s assumed this would be the footage that was found in Kansas. Here�s what the IMDB says was cut:

    * Some shots from the �Dawn of Man� sequence and a new scene was inserted where an ape pauses with the bone it is about to use as a tool. The new scene was a low-angle shot of the monolith, done in order to portray and clarify the connection between the man-ape using the tool and the monolith.
    * Some shots of Frank Poole jogging in the centrifuge.
    * An entire sequence of several shots in which Dave Bowman searches for the replacement antenna part in storage.
    * A scene where HAL severs radio communication between the �Discovery� and Poole�s pod before killing him. This scene explains a line that stayed in the film in which Bowman addresses HAL on the subject.
    * Some shots of Poole�s space walk before he is killed.

    While none of that sounds particularly exciting, new Kubrick is new Kubrick and it would be pretty cool for this footage to make its way onto some sort of epic, mega Blu-ray release one day. Still, I don�t know if I�d want to see it edited into the film. Kubrick cut it, why would anyone want to go against his wishes? But, if there is any money to be made from this footage, Warner�s will surely find a way.

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    He trimmed it because the critics who saw the first cut complained it was too long and the general consensus is it was better after the cuts. There are other scenes that were cut before the critics saw the first screened version. This sort of discovery is more interesting when the movie was taken away from the director and cut. When are they going to find the hour longer version of A New Leaf with two murders committed by Walter Matthau? Those are cuts that make a big difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DB7 View Post
    While none of that sounds particularly exciting, new Kubrick is new Kubrick and it would be pretty cool for this footage to make its way onto some sort of epic, mega Blu-ray release one day. Still, I don�t know if I�d want to see it edited into the film. Kubrick cut it, why would anyone want to go against his wishes?
    Exactly. Has anyone actually suggested editing it back into the movie? The obvious place for this footage is as a DVD extra.
    But, if there is any money to be made from this footage, Warner�s will surely find a way.
    They cancelled the 2001 documentary which sounded very interesting.
    They also refuse to release the complete version of The Devils.
    With that track record I wouldn't bank on them releasing this stuff at all.

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    Broadcast just today on BBC Radio 4 (with a repeat on Sunday 30th at 11.00 pm, same station), a 30 minute feature on the background to a few key scenes in the film

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b04pvdhk

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    This Sunday( 30th) Keir Dullea and Gary Lockwood will be at the BFI South bank for a discussion in NFT1 with Prof. Brian Cox and Chris Frayling about '2001'followed by a screening in 70mm. Both are sold out but the discussion will be streamed live at 3pm. They'll be signing photos before hand: �25 for a 8x10, �30 for 14x10, cash only.
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    Has anyone ever admitted that the bone into spaceship idea came from the very similar falcon into Spitfire time jump in A Canterbury Tale (1944)?

    Steve

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    A short article about the designs that Hardy Amies created for Kubrick.

    http://www.theguardian.com/fashion/f...er-hardy-amies

    Nick

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Crook View Post
    Has anyone ever admitted that the bone into spaceship idea came from the very similar falcon into Spitfire time jump in A Canterbury Tale (1944)? Steve
    Mediocrity borrows, but genius steals! A great edit by two masters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by agutterfan View Post
    Mediocrity borrows, but genius steals! A great edit by two masters.
    To quote Boris Lermontov in The Red Shoes when he is talking to Julian about one artist "stealing" ideas from someone else
    Boris: The Heart of Fire is your work, isn't it?
    [Julian nods]
    Boris: You see Mr Craster these things happen mostly unintentionally.
    Julian: I know, that's why ...
    Boris: [interrupting him] That's why it is worth remembering that it is much more disheartening to have to steal than to be stole from.


    Charles Staffell did work on both films. He did some back projection work on both films. Maybe he suggested it?

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    Unlikely that a back-projectionist would suggest such a major feature of the story - and would Kubrick have needed suggestions anyway when he had Arthur C Clarke to bounce ideas off ?
    Michael Powell's comment was that 'we all steal from each other'

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    Quote Originally Posted by charliekane View Post
    Unlikely that a back-projectionist would suggest such a major feature of the story - and would Kubrick have needed suggestions anyway when he had Arthur C Clarke to bounce ideas off ?
    Michael Powell's comment was that 'we all steal from each other'
    Indeed, but it would have been nice if somebody acknowledged the direct connection. Then I could list Kubrick, or Clarke, as influenced by P&P films. If there's no acknowledged connection then I can't really do that. Convergent evolution is always a possibility, however unlikely

    Steve

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    This programme from BBC Radio 3 may be of interest.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b04sv91q

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