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    Carry On Jason

    13 May 2003

    A New Carry On film set in London is in the pipeline with a host of new actors in the traditional roles.



    Many of the original cast have retired or died but Carry On London is likely to have the same slapstick humour that made the original films popular.



    David Jason has been tipped to take over from the late Sid James, while Pamela Anderson has been lined up as a possible replacement for Barbara Windsor.



    Graham Norton, Dale Winton and Lady Isabella Hervey are also in the frame for roles. Shooting is set to start early next year at Pinewood Studios.

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    Like everyone else, I have a soft spot for the Carry-On films - when I was around 9-14 years old I loved it when the BBC screened a Carry-On season.



    However the genre is over - there are no new laughs to be had with this style. The innocent sexual innuendo is lost now, and making it more obvious just makes it either crude or banal - who can forget (regretfully) Julian Clary's line in Carry-On Columbus:



    "...you can always come down my end..."



    A person's suggested homosexuality (real or otherwise) is no longer humourous - Larry Grayson & Frankie Howard engineered a career out of it as did Charles Hawtree & the tortured Kenneth Williams. However, Clary, Graham Norton and their immitators are NOT funny at this level and so resort to becoming more explicit - would too many parents want their kids to understand the humour?



    The charm of Barbara Castle was the juxtoposition of girlish innocence with full feminine physical development. She was sexy (to schoolboys) without knowing she was sexy.



    The best Carry-Ons though were those in historical settings - they stumbled upon a vein of humour that inspired the Blackadder. That of modern values against the backdrop of historical attitudes.

    The best line ever is still "Infamy, Infamy, they've all got it in for me". Of course knowing some Shakespeare helps with finding this funny.



    I hope another Carry-ON isn't made. If they do, I hope they don't employ sex-bomb actresses, overt homosexuals or American leads to boost transatlantic ratings.

    Get Ben Elton to help write or at least review the script and take out any gags that aren't up to standard.

    Set it not in the present but in the past. Maybe the Blitz - the BBC series Goodnight Sweetheart showed that there's plenty of scope for drama and comedy in that period of our history.



    Contrary to what many think, a British movie that does well in the USA needs to be good & not just have a US actor - Bend it Like Beckham is doing well here without a hint of an American accent.



    [ 14. May 2003, 15:18: Message edited by: Polynikes ]

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    Polynikes:

    Bend it Like Beckham is doing well here without a hint of an American accent.
    Have they kept the Beckham name is the US? I'd heard they were going to rename it after a female US soccer player.



    With regard to Carry On, one area that might work is something along the lines of Carry On Screaming given the success of Scream and it's many clones.



    Also, the James Bond franchise has been a popular subject for spoofing recently given the success of Austin Powers and Johnny English.

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    Have they kept the Beckham name is the US? I'd heard they were going to rename it after a female US soccer player.
    Yes, there was talk of changing the film's name as no-one here who isn't into football (soccer) will have the slightest idea of who Mr David Beckham is.

    Beckham & the movie were a lead story on the front page of USA today last Saturday with a picture of Beckham on the front page and half of page 2 taken up with the story.



    I bought a copy & took it to my local bar and no-one there recognised his face - it was a BIG picture too.


    With regard to Carry On, one area that might work is something along the lines of Carry On Screaming given the success of Scream and it's many clones.
    Carry-On screaming was the 2nd best Carry-On film (after Cleo). It benefitted from Harry H Corbett's presence & a good theme song - IIRC, the only Carry-on fim to have a theme song.



    Comedy thrillers is a wonderful genre when done well - I'm not sure that a Carry-On film would be appropriate for this - and in any case the "horror" one has been done.


    Also, the James Bond franchise has been a popular subject for spoofing recently given the success of Austin Powers and Johnny English.


    Well Williams and Castle did do Carry-On spying back in the 60's before the Dean Martin "Matt Helm" and James Coburn "Flint" spoofs.



    Actually I think that the current Bond series should end and the producers should re-make "Casino Royale" and set it where it belongs in the 1950's with a powerful actor like Liam Neeson as Bond.

    There should be NO comedy, no throw away gags and the action should be as realistic as possible.

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    Polynikes:

    Yes, there was talk of changing the film's name as no-one here who isn't into football (soccer) will have the slightest idea of who Mr David Beckham is. Beckham & the movie were a lead story on the front page of USA today last Saturday with a picture of Beckham on the front page and half of page 2 taken up with the story.
    Being a Liverpool fan I really wanted to dislike the film, and half-expected it to be a cynical cash-in on Beckham's name given his popularity over here. But, I must admit it was very entertaining and thankfully unlike the usual heavy-handed culture clash 'message' films. Reminded me somewhat of Gregory's Girl.



    Juliet Stevenson was a delight and for me stole the show with some delightfully cringeworthy one-liners; there's a reason why Sporty Spice is the only one without a fellow! The ending of the three men playing cricket seemed a bit of a cliched Hollywood happy ending and I thought unnecessary. I'm sure it'll become a more popular film when it's shown on television as some of my friends had the misconception it was heavily reliant on football (soocer).

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    With todays date in mind "thanks for the memory" reading this brought back the blackboard scean with Harry. H. concluding that " big feet smell something horriable".

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    HACKETT:



    With today's date in mind "thanks for the memory" reading this brought back the blackboard scean with Harry. H. concluding that " big feet smell something horriable".


    Actually it was:



    We're definitely dealing with FOUL play.

    There was the footprints. FEET

    Then there was that awful SMELL.

    Oooh it must be SOMETHING HORRIBLE.

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    Danniella won't Carry On



    Danniella Westbrook has reportedly pulled out of appearing in a new Carry On film after filming was delayed.



    The People says the 30-year-old had hoped her role as a buxom chauffeur would make her the new Barbara Windsor, who she had even taken tips from.



    But producers of Carry On London have put back filming because of script problems and other difficulties.



    Her agent Camilla Storey said: "She put her heart and soul into the project and it is sad for her to walk away from it."

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    IIRC, the only Carry-on fim to have a theme song
    Forgive what may be a failing memory , but didn't COWBOY have a theme also ?



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    New Carry On movie loses actors

    By Tom Bishop

    BBC News entertainment reporter

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/f...ilm/4038653.stm



    Producers of a new Carry On film insist the movie will still be made, despite losing cast members Danniella Westbrook and Shaun Williamson.



    Carry On London was due in cinemas in December, with ex-EastEnders Westbrook and Williamson, but delayed when producer James Black was replaced.



    "We are building up a new team and expect to start filming in 2005,"said Audra Woodburn of Carry On London Ltd.



    It will be the first film in the comedy series since 1992's Carry On Columbus.



    Commons launch



    It will be the 32nd film in the Carry On series, which began in 1958 and starred Sid James, Kenneth Williams, Hattie Jacques and Barbara Windsor.



    Carry On London was launched in July 2003 at a House of Commons event that saw then-Conservative leader Iain Duncan Smith pose for photos alongside actress Danniella Westbrook.



    Melanie Sacre, Shaun Williamson's agent

    Westbrook was billed as "the new Barbara Windsor" while Shaun Williamson, who played Barry Evans in EastEnders, was due to play chauffeur Dickie Ticker in the new film.



    Written by Brian Leveson and Paul Minett, who wrote ITV comedy drama The Booze Cruise, Carry On London tells of a limousine firm hired to take celebrities to the Herberts - the British equivalent of the Oscars.



    "Shaun was keen and ready to take part but the project was delayed for so long that he is now busy with other work," said Williamson's agent Melanie Sacre.





    "It was such a shame it didn't go ahead as planned because the script was absolutely marvellous - very funny and clever."



    Danniella Westbrook is also no longer taking part in the film, her spokesperson confirmed, and ex-Spandau Ballet singer Tony Hadley no longer has a cameo role.



    Producers originally said David Jason would feature in Carry On London, but his agent said he was never formally approached.



    On Wednesday film-makers would confirm no cast members for the new film.



    Carry On London will be directed by Terry Winsor, who worked on TV series Thief Takers and 1986 comedy Party Party.





    Ex-Tory leader Iain Duncan Smith with Westbrook at the 2003 launch

    Original producer James Black has been replaced by George Pavlou, who previously produced Little Monsters: The Birth, and Carry On founder Peter Rogers is executive producer.



    No reason was given for Mr Black's replacement, and he was unavailable for comment.



    "There has not been a Carry On film for 12 years, so we want to do it properly," said Carry On London Ltd's Audra Woodburn.



    "We want to continue with the old historical aspects of the films while also encouraging a new generation to enjoy the Carry Ons."

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    Perhaps they should abandon the idea altogether - the series was fading in the seventies and the last two attempts, Emmannuel and Columbus, were totally unfunny.

    Ta Ta

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    What Marky B said

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    If they get off their backsides and looked, there are some talented character players around, such as; Phil Cornwell, Josie Lawrence, John Culshaw, plus many of the old 'stalwarts' But to me, a Carry On will never be the same without Ken Williams or Sid James.

    They just seem to look to the past cast of Eastenderzzzzzz.

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    Former Eastenders employees are called "actors" now are they? I would have thought the Eastenders soap could be renamed Carry on London instead of going to all that trouble to make a film. Or rather should it be called "Carry on a Perceived and Naive View of How Working Class Londoners Are Portrayed By the BBC in the 21st Century"?



    With all the poor people being stupid and all rich people being involved with the shady underworld criminal fraternity, all jobs within walking distance of The Queen Vic, a market which is on every day of the week where stallholders don't even have transport to collect their wares, the fruit and veg appears in the morning and disappears at night as if by a miracle. The stall holder never has to re-stock, The Queen Vic has more parties than Tupperware and they're all free of charge of course, and not a Kiwi or Aussie in sight working behind the bar, and some characters mysteriously disappear for weeks to look after sick relatives during the Panto Season!



    The Carry-On films were rather special, and to produce yet another updated version full of the dross of television land is an insult to the original casts, most of whom are no longer with us, and devalues the original series of films' contribution to the British film industry! There I feel better now



    Well I'd feel better if some of the TV powers-that-be got out into the real world and started producing something credible, and film makers came up with some original ideas from time to time instead of reheating rehashed nostalgia in the hope that people will just go along with it!



    NB. The best part Shaun Williamson ever had was the 30 seconds as a petrol station attendant in the Inspector Morse episode "The Way Through The Woods" ,and even then his Oxfordshire bumpkin accent sounded like Captain Hook in a Peter Pan pantomime! "Shiver me timbers me hearties. Ooh Aaargh!"

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    Originally posted by arty-dave@Jan 1 2005, 04:45 PM

    What Marky B said
    Alright,I maybe over three months late with this,but....eh?

    Ta Ta

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    Originally posted by samkydd@Apr 19 2005, 11:48 AM

    Former Eastenders employees are called "actors" now are they? I would have thought the Eastenders soap could be renamed Carry on London instead of going to all that trouble to make a film. Or rather should it be called "Carry on a Perceived and Naive View of How Working Class Londoners Are Portrayed By the BBC in the 21st Century"?



    With all the poor people being stupid and all rich people being involved with the shady underworld criminal fraternity, all jobs within walking distance of The Queen Vic, a market which is on every day of the week where stallholders don't even have transport to collect their wares, the fruit and veg appears in the morning and disappears at night as if by a miracle. The stall holder never has to re-stock, The Queen Vic has more parties than Tupperware and they're all free of charge of course, and not a Kiwi or Aussie in sight working behind the bar, and some characters mysteriously disappear for weeks to look after sick relatives during the Panto Season.
    Couldn't agree more Sam

    It must get very hot over there too judging by all the deep tans the character's in Eastender's have.

    Why is it that all the character's who leave the series always leave late at night in a black cab?

    We've often had a laugh over here about how depressing the storylines are and what a bunch of tosser's the scriptwriter's are.

    Also have you ever noticed in time how both Eastender's and Coronation Street seem to copy each other's plotlines?

    God help us if the new Carry On film has scriptwriter's the calibre of the soaps



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    Originally posted by David Brent@Apr 21 2005, 04:46 AM

    Couldn't agree more Sam

    It must get very hot over there too judging by all the deep tans the character's in Eastender's have.

    Why is it that all the character's who leave the series always leave late at night in a black cab?

    We've often had a laugh over here about how depressing the storylines are and what a bunch of tosser's the scriptwriter's are.

    Also have you ever noticed in time how both Eastender's and Coronation Street seem to copy each other's plotlines?

    God help us if the new Carry On film has scriptwriter's the calibre of the soaps*



    Dave.
    That's the problem though Dave, television scriptwriters (usually some producer's offspring called Demilsa or Tarquin) get high profile work in soaps and eventually they start believing that they can write, and that nepotism had nothing to do with them getting the job! Next thing you know they get invited by Daddy to work on a film, and they continue with the blatant plagiarism, rubbish plot and crap dialogue, and that's why the industry turns out such garbage these days! Let's face it, if anyone got there on creative merit they might eventually wield enough power to oust the talentless tossers who are running the show at the moment!

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    Originally posted by samkydd@Apr 21 2005, 07:00 PM

    That's the problem though Dave, television scriptwriters (usually some producer's offspring called Demilsa or Tarquin) get high profile work in soaps and eventually they start believing that they can write, and that nepotism had nothing to do with them getting the job! Next thing you know they get invited by Daddy to work on a film, and they continue with the blatant plagiarism, rubbish plot and crap dialogue, and that's why the industry turns out such garbage these days! Let's face it, if anyone got there on creative merit they might eventually wield enough power to oust the talentless tossers who are running the show at the moment!
    Your right again mate, but wouldn't you just think that someone in charge of production with any ounce of common sense would doctor these awful scripts before they go to air?

    Or are they running at such a tight schedule in their endeavor to keep episode's coming off the conveyor belt that they've forgotten the quality aspect? In other words they've thrown the baby out and kept the bilgewater.

    Surely even the actor's themselves (if they have any dignity) would also question the merit of producing episode's with such unbelievably bad scripts.



    Dave.

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    Originally posted by David Brent@Apr 22 2005, 07:47 AM

    Your right again mate, but wouldn't you just think that someone in charge of production with any ounce of common sense would doctor these awful scripts before they go to air?

    Or are they running at such a tight schedule in their endeavor to keep episode's coming off the conveyor belt that they've forgotten the quality aspect? In other words they've thrown the baby out and kept the bilgewater.

    Surely even the actor's themselves (if they have any dignity) would also question the merit of producing episode's with such unbelievably bad scripts.



    Dave.
    Soap actors are happy as long as they get their fake-tanned faces (and other parts) in Hello and a few other celeb mags on a regular basis, picking up the cheques and earning a few quid extra during the panto season and doing Celebrity Stars in Their Eyes! And who can blame them? I would do exactly the same in their position, but a part of me would want to prove to everyone that I wasn't just shit, which is where an integrity gene helps!

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    TV soaps seem to me like the old local reps from years ago. A place to learn your trade. They may play the same person but with the ridiculous plots get plenty of ham in. I don't watch any soaps on TV but I never miss The Archers. There is something about most drama on the Radio that surpasses all TV soaps. The Writting is far superior as well.

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