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    Channel 4 this afternoon showed an old black and white Sean Connery comedy called 'On The Fiddle' this afternoon. Nothing unusual about this except for the ratio the film was broadcast in.



    I didn't watch the film, just channel hopping, but what I noticed was that the film had black bars above and below and black bars to the left and right. In short, WE MANAGED TO GET THE FULL PICTURE. It did feel like one was watching the movie through a black picture frame though.



    For a better explanation of what I mean read this article



    http://www.mastersofcinema.org/revie...kingbeyond.htm



    And here is a capture of the 'M' DVD to elaborate...

    http://www.aqzb83.dsl.pipex.com/moc/m/m66.jpg

    and a still from the 'M' DVD

    http://www.aqzb83.dsl.pipex.com/moc/m/m50.jpg

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    I've just looked at my recording. Very strange. I think they cocked up the broadcast. That happened a couple of months ago on BBC1 with "The Conversations". During this someone in the back room must have noticed it was wrong as it changed half way through the broadcast.



    Whoops, sorry only just clocked your links. This was intentional!!! I wasn't too taken with this

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    Originally posted by Clinton Morgan@Jun 16 2005, 04:05 PM

    Channel 4 this afternoon showed an old black and white Sean Connery comedy called 'On The Fiddle' this afternoon. Nothing unusual about this except for the ratio the film was broadcast in.



    I didn't watch the film, just channel hopping, but what I noticed was that the film had black bars above and below and black bars to the left and right. In short, WE MANAGED TO GET THE FULL PICTURE. It did feel like one was watching the movie through a black picture frame though.



    For a better explanation of what I mean read this article



    http://www.mastersofcinema.org/revie...kingbeyond.htm



    And here is a capture of the 'M' DVD to elaborate...

    http://www.aqzb83.dsl.pipex.com/moc/m/m66.jpg

    and a still from the 'M' DVD

    http://www.aqzb83.dsl.pipex.com/moc/m/m50.jpg
    But why should they have black bars all the way round the image?

    I can understand black bars above & below when you're watching a widescreen film on a standard ratio TV or even black bars to the left & right when you're watching an academy ratio film on a widescreen TV.

    But why all the way round? No matter what size your TV is the picture should fit in at least one dimension.

    Steve

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    Luckily, I still have a 35mm clipping of a few frames from On The Fiddle that I got over 43 years ago at the cinema where I was working. The film was "hard matted". That is to say it had blacked off areas at the top and bottom of the frame. Probably with an aspect ratio somewhere between 1.85 and 1.66 to 1. Channel 4 have run this transfer a few times now over the past few years, so it isn't their fault that the image looks that way. It's just the way that whoever owns the film now has transfered it to video or DVD for them. It should be pointed out that it's years ago since television companies showing a film would run 35mm copies through telecine machines. All film transmissiions now are of copies that have been transferred to either tape or disc.

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    Originally posted by DAVID RAYNER@Jun 20 2005, 04:14 PM

    Luckily, I still have a 35mm clipping of a few frames from On The Fiddle that I got over 43 years ago at the cinema where I was working. The film was "hard matted". That is to say it had blacked off areas at the top and bottom of the frame. Probably with an aspect ratio somewhere between 1.85 and 1.66 to 1. Channel 4 have run this transfer a few times now over the past few years, so it isn't their fault that the image looks that way. It's just the way that whoever owns the film now has transfered it to video or DVD for them. It should be pointed out that it's years ago since television companies showing a film would run 35mm copies through telecine machines. All film transmissiions now are of copies that have been transferred to either tape or disc.
    Right, so watching a film of that sort of ratio on a widescreen TV would put black bars to the left & right - and the film itself (or the transfer they were using) put in the black bars at the top and bottom.



    That would explain it. It'd be better if they could run off another print from the 35mm original (if the negs still exist) but that's not cheap and they probably think it's not worth their while doing it.



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    Yes, Steve, anyone watching that transmission on a widescreen television, if selecting 16 by 9 mode, then the frame height would be just right for the widescreen television screen, but there would still be black bars at the sides, because the shape of the image in On the Fiddle wouldn't be quite the right shape to fit a 16 by 9 screen .

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    Originally posted by Clinton Morgan@Jun 16 2005, 03:05 PM

    Channel 4 this afternoon showed an old black and white Sean Connery comedy called 'On The Fiddle' this afternoon. Nothing unusual about this except for the ratio the film was broadcast in.

    I didn't watch the film, just channel hopping, but what I noticed was that the film had black bars above and below and black bars to the left and right. In short, WE MANAGED TO GET THE FULL PICTURE. It did feel like one was watching the movie through a black picture frame though.

    For a better explanation of what I mean read this article

    http://www.mastersofcinema.org/revie...kingbeyond.htm



    And here is a capture of the 'M' DVD to elaborate...

    http://www.aqzb83.dsl.pipex.com/moc/m/m66.jpg

    and a still from the 'M' DVD

    http://www.aqzb83.dsl.pipex.com/moc/m/m50.jpg


    That's very interesting Clint. My tele, circa 2000, is a wide screen with 5 screen modes and the only mode where you can see all the text and no legs or heads chopped off is in Widescreen mode. Even then there is a bit of 'cropping'. It really p*****s me off. Do they still make 'normal' televisions????

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