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    I have just taken delivery of the recently released 'The Tony Hancock Collection' one of a series of 'Comic Icons' DVDs from Studio Canal/Optimum which contains both of Hancock's starring feature films THE REBEL and THE PUNCH AND JUDY MAN.



    What a disappointment. Both films are transferred to DVD in the wrong aspect ratio, full frame i.e 3 by 4 or 1.33:1. This is not too bad in the case of Punch and Judy Man but The Rebel was made in 'Scope i.e 2.35:1 so nearly half the image on each frame is missing. To add insult to injury Punch and Judy Man has been severely cut, about 6 minutes removed. This includes the end of the breakfast scene with Silvia Syms, their juddering kiss when they bang into each other, the wonderful sequence where he goes out through her twee gift shop and deliberately rams a bunch of dried fowers up the backside of a china pig, the sequence in his garage where he has a row with Hugh Lloyd and later in the car when he is rude to the Mayor (Ronald Fraser). All gone. Making a lot of what follows incomprehensible.

    What a way to treat one of our greatest and most loved comedians.

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    Thanks for the warning, how infuriating.

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    There can surely be no excuse for issuing dvd's in the wrong aspect ratio now since all tvs are widescreen, although another recent issue - Double Bunk with Ian Carmichael - also suffers in this way. The old Alastiar Sim double bill of The Green Man and School for scoundrels released I think in 2003 also had both films in 4:3 ratios, when School for scoundrels was originally shot in 1.66:1 Strangely enough, when the Daily Mail issued School for scoundrels as a freebie last year the correct 1.66:1 ratio was used for the presentation. So you never can tell!



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    name='MrT']There can surely be no excuse for issuing dvd's in the wrong aspect ratio now since all tvs are widescreen...



    Mike (MrT)


    All TVs?



    Steve

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    name='Hugo'] The Rebel was made in 'Scope i.e 2.35:1


    Hugo, are you sure about that? I might be wrong, but in my memory, this was standard frame, not a Cinemascope (or comparable) movie...

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    I caught sight of similar comments on one of the dvd review sites re: the Hancock Collection. Might have been DVD Times.

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    In answer to your question AndrewLA, I am of course relying on my memory here, there seems to be no way of finding out conclusively what the original aspect ratio of a film was. No reference works or sites and no reviews contain this information. Sight and Sound started to quote aspect ratios in their reviews a few years ago but have now discontinued this practice.



    So as far as I remember 'The Rebel' was in 'Scope, i.e. 2.35:1.

    I distinctly remember the very early scenes at the railway station with overhead shots of trains as being panoramic.



    The thing which concerns me most about this Hancock release is that it is the only copy of these films now available on DVD and will come to be accepted as the proper version, which in the case of the truncated 'Punch and Judy Man' it most certainly is not.

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    name='MrT']There can surely be no excuse for issuing dvd's in the wrong aspect ratio now since all tvs are widescreen, although another recent issue - Double Bunk with Ian Carmichael - also suffers in this way. The old Alastiar Sim double bill of The Green Man and School for scoundrels released I think in 2003 also had both films in 4:3 ratios, when School for scoundrels was originally shot in 1.66:1 Strangely enough, when the Daily Mail issued School for scoundrels as a freebie last year the correct 1.66:1 ratio was used for the presentation. So you never can tell!



    Mike (MrT)


    I recently purchased the comedy classic DVD 'A Home Of Your Own' from overseas.

    The DVD is a new release yet I was very disappointed to find that the picture can only be seen in the 4:3 screen ratio.

    I thought there was enough technology and software out there at present for the films distributor to correct the screen ratio before release.



    I agree with you Mike. There are enough widescreen televisions being sold and promoted around the world today. The small screen ratio should just not happen on newly released DVD's.



    Dave.

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    What a travesty!!!



    I sure hope that these corrupted versions don't make it to the USA. I have the original "Punch & Judy Man" but lost "The Rebel".



    I also lost the paperback version of "The Rebel" - yes, there was one!



    I constantly feel that I'm fighting with one hand tied behind my back here, because all USA VHS is in NTSC format and translations from the PAL (UK format) are few and far between.



    I do have the great Hancock boxed set in NTSC format - some of his UK TV shows, including original period commercials. But no feature legth movies included

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    Tony Hancock TV collection: new DVD set







    See:

    The Tony Hancock Collection (Complete) - DVD & VHS - MovieMail UK

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    name='julian_craster']Tony Hancock TV collection: new DVD set







    See:

    The Tony Hancock Collection (Complete) - DVD & VHS - MovieMail UK


    Yes but have they been 'cleaned up'. All the recordings come from either 35 or

    16mm film taken from a TV tube. It would be nice to think that the beeb would use digital technology to enhance the images but nothing indicates this.

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    Can't really see the point of this box set - haven't most if not all of these episodes already been issued on dvd? Probably one or two haven't and this is an extortionate way to make people complete their collections. I think there is one episode from the final "Hancock" series that hasn't been issued buit there may be more



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    name='MrT']Can't really see the point of this box set - haven't most if not all of these episodes already been issued on dvd? Probably one or two haven't and this is an extortionate way to make people complete their collections. I think there is one episode from the final "Hancock" series that hasn't been issued buit there may be more



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    Succession Son and Heir has never to my knowledge been shown or released in recent years - I have read that Hancock wears spectacles all the way thorugh to try and disguise the fact that he is reading the autocue

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    name='MrT']Can't really see the point of this box set - haven't most if not all of these episodes already been issued on dvd? Probably one or two haven't and this is an extortionate way to make people complete their collections. I think there is one episode from the final "Hancock" series that hasn't been issued buit there may be more



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    The most annoying thing about this re-issue is not just the way they've issued SON AND HEIR, but the fact that the earlier DVDs were the somewhat clipped 1990s (?) VHS releases.



    Suddenly for this boxed set dear old rip-off Auntie Worldwide can say that they have the complete prints - something which they should have used from day one....



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    name='Windthrop']Succession Son and Heir has never to my knowledge been shown or released in recent years - I have read that Hancock wears spectacles all the way thorugh to try and disguise the fact that he is reading the autocue


    "Son and Heir" was alas the last show that Hancock made for the BBC and it still stands up remarkably well as a very funny and enjoyable TV comedy. This is the one where he decides he needs an heir and he arranges to have a meal with three of his old girlfriends (separately) to size them up as potential wives. One has beauty, one has brains and one has breeding and Hancock plies them all with a frozen 4-course-dinner for two and a bottle of Albanian burgundy. He only wears glasses in the section with the brainy one (June Whitfield) but then so does she.



    The Hancock Collection Complete can now be pre-ordered from HMV for �29.99 free delivery, for a limited period, the release date is 20th October.

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    Succession:Son & Heir is on there but The New Nose is the previously released ghastly 1980's edit with 'new' titles. The Face To Face interview is included as well as some script pdf's.

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    name='Windthrop']Succession Son and Heir has never to my knowledge been shown or released in recent years


    It was shown as part of the last BBC repeat season (in the late '90's) and it's also been released on audio. Quite a nice little episode. :)

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    It worries me a little this. I saw a copy of "The Rebel" at the BFI last year. The print was heavily used, with numerous glithces and skips in it. What worries me if there is a half-decent print around? I agree the DVD versions of the film are really shoddy, but maybe that's all that's around. Where would one start in searching for a negative?



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    Only THE PUNCH AND JUDY MAN was shot in Scope, THE REBEL was 1.66:1



    I am sure about this,,,,

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    The last time I saw The Rebel was on a VHS and the print was fine.

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