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    Administrator Country: Wales Steve Crook's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by DB7 View Post
    There is an epetition for Thatcher's funeral to be privatised......
    I hope not. Privatisation always ends up costing us a lot more

    Steve

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    Quicker and cheaper just to cremate the old bat when the time comes.

    But apparently the lady's not for burning.

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    The funniest thing about all this lefty funeral angst is that it was all Gordon the Moron's idea in the first place. Presumably some cretinous attempt to appeal to middlebrow Britain.

    undated:
    The Queen and Gordon Brown are both in discussions with Lady Thatcher’s private office concerning the arrangements. This does not reflect any concern over Lady Thatcher’s health, but simply the prudent long-term planning necessary for any event involving the Queen.
    Read more: Lady Thatcher to be honoured with State funeral | Mail Online


    Talk about paper tigers, it's more like socialist paper-folding. Speaking as a Liberal voter, I cannot see any reason whatsoever that Maggie would merit or want a State Funeral, and frankly I imagine she would be appalled at the very idea........ especially while she's still around to be asked........

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    What really getting up my nose now are comments by young women who admire her for being a `strong woman`, girl power and all that c***! They didn`t have to live through the devastation she caused!

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    Quote Originally Posted by faginsgirl View Post
    What really getting up my nose now are comments by young women who admire her for being a `strong woman`, girl power and all that c***! They didn`t have to live through the devastation she caused!
    At the time, women were saying "She may be a woman, but the isn't a "sister"."
    She did nothing to make life easier for women

    Steve

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Crook View Post
    At the time, women were saying "She may be a woman, but the isn't a "sister"."
    That's because most feminists are lefties.............

    Maggie also devastated Communism of course, this also led to her being rather unpopular with those on the left. She and Ronnie Raygun (as Scargill christened him I think in a red temper) probably did more for Humanity generally than some more recent Anglo-American alliances. I think she'll be remembered globally as a great leader for that, whatever her errors in the UK may have been.

    I would guess it is her role in bringing down that wall that leads to some notions of her being entitled to a State Funeral, as her determination and skills were akin to the world-saving role that Churchill performed against the axis of evil that Stalin and his heirs replaced, although she managed to do it all without firing a shot - perhaps suggesting the value of the feminine touch. But, like Churchill, she never really got along with the coal-mining fraternity..... well except in Nottinghamshire of course

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    Quote Originally Posted by faginsgirl View Post
    What really getting up my nose now are comments by young women who admire her for being a `strong woman`, girl power and all that c***! They didn`t have to live through the devastation she caused!
    Lol, that's pretty much what a 23yr-old said to me today, she couldn't wait to see the film. History is written by the winners... and News Int.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moor Larkin View Post
    the line referring to the Falklands as the vicious colonial war was a nice one too.......

    He seems to be the lefty version of David Irving....

    Milne has also criticised the Council of Europe and others for adopting "as fact the wildest estimates of those 'killed by communist regimes'".[25] He has argued that, while "the numbers remain a focus of huge academic controversy",[23] the real records of repression now available from the Soviet archives are horrific enough (799,455 people were recorded as executed between 1921 and 1953 and the labour camp population reached 2.5 million at its peak) without engaging in an ideologically-fuelled inflation game".[25]

    799,000 ? Jesus wept........... well, the Ukranian peasants did anyhow.

    799,000?..........(eyes bulging in disbelief) I've read 37 million were killed or starved to death in Stalin's Russia before World War II had even begun (and no, it wasn't in a certain newspaper!)

    I'm going to see the film on Sunday, I like the orchestral music from the clips I've seen, plus Meryl of course, one of the greatest modern actresses.

    As for Margaret Thatcher's funeral I've read she's to be buried alongside Denis at the Chelsea Royal Hospital, I'm unsure if the graveyard is open to the general public should they wish to visit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moor Larkin View Post
    That's because most feminists are lefties.............

    Maggie also devastated Communism of course, this also led to her being rather unpopular with those on the left. She and Ronnie Raygun (as Scargill christened him I think in a red temper) probably did more for Humanity generally than some more recent Anglo-American alliances. I think she'll be remembered globally as a great leader for that, whatever her errors in the UK may have been.

    I would guess it is her role in bringing down that wall that leads to some notions of her being entitled to a State Funeral, as her determination and skills were akin to the world-saving role that Churchill performed against the axis of evil that Stalin and his heirs replaced, although she managed to do it all without firing a shot - perhaps suggesting the value of the feminine touch. But, like Churchill, she never really got along with the coal-mining fraternity..... well except in Nottinghamshire of course

    First, feminists are spread across the political spectrum, and the gender spectrum.

    Second, most British people who you call "lefties" have always been against communism as it was practised in Russia - which actually had little to do with Communism or even Socialism

    Third, Maggie had nothing to do with bringing down that wall. You may as well praise her for making the sun rise each morning (& may well do for all I know, or care).

    Regan went to Berlin in 1987 and in his main speech he asked Gorbachev to "Tear down this wall". But that had no more direct effect on it than all the other people like Kennedy who had made similar appeals.

    Steve

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    Thatcher was without doubt the luckiest, most overrated, callous and divisive PM of my lifetime (I go back as far as MacMillan). I wouldn't (quite) say she got everything wrong but I loathed much of what she stood for (the greedy me-me-me, every man for himself, devil take the hindmost, pull the ladder up, I'm alright Jack selfish worship of money and profit which soured the Tories and saddled them with the "nasty party" image for a generation or more). Exasperatingly, she set the women's movement back years, a golden opportunity lost really, she could have helped promote and advance things so much.

    But she did have brilliantly fortuitous timing - the benefits of North Sea Oil landed nicely in place just as she took the helm for example, and wasn't she due to mothball part of the fleet which sailed to her electoral rescue at the last minute as The Falklands unfolded? Sorry to say it, but she was also lucky enough to be up against the most shambolically disorganised, amateurish opposition ever (and I voted for them!). Thatcherism was nowt new either - just tarted-up laissez-faire 19th Century politics dusted down. I usually try and see some good in everyone - but the pig headed, obtuse, humourless, blinkered old cow who systematically dismantled whole industries and communities as a price worth paying will get no plaudits from me. I don't wish her ill and I take no pleasure in seeing the decline of another human being but a State Funeral? Outrageos and disgraceful in my opinion.

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    the first paragraph of tonches rant could equally apply to blair
    the gap between rich and poor grew significantly more during his watch as blair likes to refer to it

    the safeguards for the banking industry were removed to please the reckless side of the nature of the already rich
    and ultimeately sadlled the country with billions of debt

    and those toiling for lowlier sums had a mass of in some cases tourist immigration to compete with that kept wages low
    bish bash bosh with cash in hand wages and then scarper back to poland
    i wonder how many british builders and carpenters and plumbers were decimated by that sort of competition ?

    bring back maggie i say !

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    Quote Originally Posted by captainhaddock View Post
    the first paragraph of tonches rant could equally apply to blair
    the gap between rich and poor grew significantly more during his watch as blair likes to refer to it

    the safeguards for the banking industry were removed to please the reckless side of the nature of the already rich
    and ultimeately sadlled the country with billions of debt

    and those toiling for lowlier sums had a mass of in some cases tourist immigration to compete with that kept wages low
    bish bash bosh with cash in hand wages and then scarper back to poland
    i wonder how many british builders and carpenters and plumbers were decimated by that sort of competition ?

    bring back maggie i say !
    But Moor would have you believe that it was Maggie who brought down the wall and so let all those Poles and other East Europeans in

    Steve

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    Quote Originally Posted by captainhaddock View Post
    bring back maggie i say !

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    Thatcher biopic bombs in Yorkshire...:

    Wave of protest at Thatcher film - WATCH VIDEO - News - The Star


    Iron Lady: Thatcher movie protest plus Sheffield reviews - YouTube

    Could be excellent free publicity for the movie......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Crook View Post
    Second, most British people who you call "lefties" have always been against communism as it was practised in Russia - which actually had little to do with Communism or even Socialism
    I guess it's not surprising that the losers should try to rewrite history, but that is just cobblers. All lefties back then preferred the commies to the capitalists, it was in their intellectual DNA.

    This guy gives a nice summary, for anyone young, who might believe some of the tosh written about those days, nowadays.

    It's kind of tempting to believe that Scargill was reacting to a perceived threat. But the evidence seems to point to exactly the opposite. Unfortunately, the unrepentant old Communist is damned by his own words. Flashback to 1981 and an interview with the late John Mortimer (a Labour supporter) and Scargill reveals his true intentions. In the interview Scargill tells Mortimer that he thinks that "political parties in Britain could be abolished once we get rid of this absurd class system". Perhaps one should pause for a minute for the full impact of that statement to sink in. In the same interview Scargill says that his union, the NUM, has written into its constitution a promise to "destroy the capitalist system". When Mortimer quizzes Scargill about events going on at that time in Poland - when Lech Walesa's (technically illegal) trade union Solidarity was forming - Scargill does not dissent when Mortimer paraphrases Scargill's views by asking him "you think Solidarity is a reactionary, Catholic movement?"

    Scargill reveals himself as a direct supporter of east European communist leaders. No doubt he would have cheerfully supped with the likes of Poland's General Jaruzelski, Romania's Nicolae Ceauşescu and Bulgaria's Todor Zhivkov. Perhaps people who lived in Communist Eastern Europe at that time should visit Scargill in his comfortable home and tell him what life was like under Communism 30 years ago. But then again in recent interviews Scargill has, if it's possible, gone even further. Yes, the demented old dinosaur has ACTUALLY PRAISED STALIN. (New Statesman - Comrades up in arms) Was this the kind of Britain Scargill wanted, one that resembled a Communist state with perhaps Scargill himself ensconced as the supreme head of the British version of the Politburo? If that's the case, thank God we were spared!

    Weekend blog extra: Arthur Scargill's Eastern European brothers - Blogs - The Sofia Echo

    So far as Maggie is concerned about immigration, I don't think she ever had much to say on the subject one way or another. The only time I recall it all cropping up was when the time came to hand Hong Kong back to the Communists in China. She knew the limits of her power.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Moor Larkin View Post
    I guess it's not surprising that the losers should try to rewrite history, but that is just cobblers. All lefties back then preferred the commies to the capitalists, it was in their intellectual DNA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainWaggett View Post
    George was wise, but I doubt that many Lefties *got it*. Anyhow, Stalin was rehabilitated somewhat after winning the Great Patriotic War and helping all of us out of a jam, and putting paid to those less politically correct Socialists in Germany at the time. Communism certainly had its uses after 1941. Just a shame it took another two generations to kill it off in the Empire of the east that reigned after 1945.


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    It seems clear that The Iron Lady has been produced for the 'dumb US feminist' market, as according to BBC critic Mark Kermode, there is no political context/depth to the movie, just a personal drama and a 'Go for it girl!' attitude.

    I don't think many folks in the US have a serious interest in UK politics of the 1970s/1980s.....I am sure the Yanks will lap it all up and give Meryl an Oscar.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moor Larkin View Post
    I guess it's not surprising that the losers should try to rewrite history, but that is just cobblers. All lefties back then preferred the commies to the capitalists, it was in their intellectual DNA.
    Who are the "losers" that you are referring to now? You refer to anyone who doesn't support your views as a "leftie"

    There isn't only a choice between communism or capitalism, there are many other systems, like the mild socialism practised in this country

    Steve

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