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    Senior Member Country: UK Moor Larkin's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Crook View Post
    There isn't only a choice between communism or capitalism, there are many other systems, like the mild socialism practised in this country
    I prefer to think that in the UK we try to practise pragmatically ethical capitilism. Ultimately we get the governments we vote for, even if it does all seem a bit tiresome in between elections.

    Speaking in the past, I was brought up in a Catholic school and I recall more than one of my primary and secondary school teacher telling us that the early Christians were the first Communists (no political agenda in schools back then eh?). I may get older but I like to think I get wiser about this sort of thing too.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Moor Larkin View Post
    I prefer to think that in the UK we try to practise pragmatically ethical capitilism. Ultimately we get the governments we vote for, even if it does all seem a bit tiresome in between elections.
    Can you really tell the difference between any governments in this country? Apart from the blasted/blessed Maggie we have very rarely had an extreme government of any variety

    Speaking in the past, I was brought up in a Catholic school and I recall more than one of my primary and secondary school teacher telling us that the early Christians were the first Communists (no political agenda in schools back then eh?). I may get older but I like to think I get wiser about this sort of thing too.
    Getting older doesn't always mean that people get wiser

    Your teachers weren't far from the truth. But as I said above, the system practised in Russia under Stalin and others had little to do with Communism

    Steve

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Crook View Post
    But Moor would have you believe that it was Maggie who brought down the wall and so let all those Poles and other East Europeans in

    Steve

    oh i see
    its funny when people lose their jobs needlessly due to labours meddling and social engineering but not so funny when its the result of harsh economic decisions taken by the conservatives who are usually picking up the pieces after labour
    this is why i dont vote labour
    they dont represent the working class they aim to keep you working class
    at least theres a chance for those who are willing to prosper under the conservatives
    bring back maggie !

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    Quote Originally Posted by captainhaddock View Post
    oh i see
    its funny when people lose their jobs needlessly due to labours meddling and social engineering
    Why do you find that funny?

    Steve

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    Quote Originally Posted by captainhaddock View Post
    bring back maggie !
    Going by the earlier graphics upthread, some in here consider they have.......

    But her time has passed and the world is utterly changed, since the end of something that nobody here ever supported.....


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    Quote Originally Posted by Moor Larkin View Post
    But her time has passed and the world is utterly changed, since the end of something that nobody here ever supported.....
    It seems that some did, and still do

    Steve

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Crook View Post
    Why do you find that funny?

    Steve
    it was you who made some throaway remark about the berlin wall and ended it with a smiley laughing to my earlier post about honest british tradesman having to compete with tourist immigrants undercutting them and then legging it back to eastern europe before the taxman came calling .
    that was a result of labours social engineering or incompetence
    i dont know which ones worst

    anyway if thats how a political party looks after the working class it claims to represent give me a cabinet full of old etonian toffs or better still a grocers daughters from grantham

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moor Larkin View Post
    I guess it's not surprising that the losers should try to rewrite history, but that is just cobblers. All lefties back then preferred the commies to the capitalists, it was in their intellectual DNA.

    This guy gives a nice summary, for anyone young, who might believe some of the tosh written about those days, nowadays.

    [COLOR="#0000CD"]It's kind of tempting to believe that Scargill was reacting to a perceived threat. But the evidence seems to point to exactly the opposite. Unfortunately, the unrepentant old Communist is damned by his own words. Flashback to 1981 and an interview with the late John Mortimer (a Labour supporter) ...
    I don't 'get it'. How can all lefties have been one thing, when the summary you call 'nice' refers to the interviewer as a Labour supporter? Mortimer was shocked by Scargill. Both were lefties. I'm lost. I seem to remember during the miners' strike lot of people on the left who disliked Scargill less than they hated Thatcehr, but still disliked him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by captainhaddock View Post
    it was you who made some throaway remark about the berlin wall and ended it with a smiley laughing to my earlier post about honest british tradesman having to compete with tourist immigrants undercutting them and then legging it back to eastern europe before the taxman came calling .
    I was laughing at the idea that Maggie had anything to do with the Berlin wall coming down.
    Read what I wrote, not what you thought I wrote.

    Steve

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Crook View Post
    It seems that some did, and still do
    Nice to see we agree......

    1989 was an historic turning point -not in our view, the beginning of a new era of flourishing capitalist development, but the end of an exceptional 'golden age' for the bourgeoisie in the advanced capitalist countries and the beginning of protracted economic depression, social polarisation and political upheaval in which the working class will reassert its role as the decisive force for social progress.

    Far from being 'finished' (or even marginalised) for fifty years, the working class will, in the next period, engage in unprecedented struggles against capitalist oppression -and the workers' aims will once again be expressed in the language of socialism.

    What future for Socialism?

    Forward Together......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Crook View Post
    I was laughing at the idea that Maggie had anything to do with the Berlin wall coming down.
    Read what I wrote, not what you thought I wrote.

    Steve
    fair enuffski
    but what i'm trying to point out is if youre working class and labour are your supposed friends you dont need enemies .
    i would stick my neck out and say that those who at least were prepared to try prospered under thatcher rather than were hindered by her
    compare that to blair years where the rich just got massively richer

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    Quote Originally Posted by captainhaddock View Post
    fair enuffski
    but what i'm trying to point out is if youre working class and labour are your supposed friends you dont need enemies .
    i would stick my neck out and say that those who at least were prepared to try prospered under thatcher rather than were hindered by her
    compare that to blair years where the rich just got massively richer
    Some working class people prospered under Thatcher - all those ex-barrow-boys who became traders in the City. Other working class people didn't prosper.
    Some working class people prospered under Blair, other working class people didn't prosper.
    Some people who were rich when Blair or Thatcher came to power then lost all their money.

    Plus �a change, plus c'est la m�me chose. It's not possible to blame everything on the person who happens to be in power. Life's not that simple

    Steve

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    but there seems to be plenty of people blaming thatcher for everything on this thread

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    So, has anyone actually seen the film yet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainWaggett View Post
    So, has anyone actually seen the film yet?
    I am going next week when I'm in Nottingham so I don't have to cross the picket lines of the wives of ex miners in Wakey.

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    Quote Originally Posted by captainhaddock View Post
    but there seems to be plenty of people blaming thatcher for everything on this thread
    Not everyone's blaming Thatcher for everything. There are some people blaming Blair for things he didn't actually do

    Steve

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Sloane View Post
    I am going next week when I'm in Nottingham so I don't have to cross the picket lines of the wives of ex miners in Wakey.
    Both showings at my local arthouse were sold out yesterday evening
    Last edited by CaptainWaggett; 08-01-12 at 04:03 PM.

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    Did audiences in South London cheer ('Go for it Girl!' ) or hiss and boo ....?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainWaggett View Post
    So, has anyone actually seen the film yet?
    What film? Is this about a film?
























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    Quote Originally Posted by Rowdon View Post
    What film? Is this about a film?
























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    And they say the art of satire is dead

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