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    Quote Originally Posted by Hackett
    I will always remember him for being a c--t.
    may i add the letters u and n to that word........put it all together and what have you got????????sounds like runt

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    Interested in any thoughts on this article. (It's about a decade old, have things changed much? I guess there's Daniel Craig now...)



    Death of the British Hero



    The Death of the British Hero



    Even during the long years when British filmmaking barely existed, British actors have always been present on the world's movie screens. Recently, of course, a handful of British films have done enormously well in America, and British actors have never been in more demand in Hollywood. yet the images we export of ourselves - the picture we offer of 'British-ness' - couldn't be more negative.



    I'd like to look at the way the British represent themselves in films aimed at a worldwide market. And, I'd like to try and illuminate that by comparing the way Britishness is represented now to its portrayal in the 1960s.



    In the 1960s, when the economy was booming, British films were being exported on a bigger scale than ever. There were a whole range of images of Britishness exported in these movies, but almost all of them had one thing in common; it was cool to be British. British fashion, British locales, British manners, British music - our films were unashamed of holding these things up to the world market. We had outgrown social realism and the kitchen sink drama, with its angry, gloomy, protagonists, and we were enjoying prosperity.



    In the early sixties, the image of Britishness that conquered the world was James Bond. In many ways, Bond was anything but a revolutionary. Certainly, as Ian Fleming wrote him, he was a defender of the old-fashioned British high-life, and he saw women and foreigners alike as inferior species to be mistrusted and used to his own ends. But Sean Connery's Scottishness and his nice line in irony helped take the sting out of Bond's imperialism. And importantly, Bond made it fashionable to be refined, suave, in command of emotions, to be educated and to have good taste in clothes, food and cars. Bond's first appearance in Dr No is not in an action sequence but at a card game, and in the early Bond films a lot of the action is actually quite low key, taking place in 'sophisticated' venues

    such as the golf course or the casino.



    The fact that Bond made it cool to be British is nicely attested to by Danny Peary, who in Cult Movies 3 writes about the Bond series from an American perspective. He links Bond with the arrival of British pop bands just a few months later:





    For a time, Bond and the Beatles were a phenomenal one-two punch that made us believe Britain was where it was at, and hunger for anything (music, movies, miniskirts) and anybody (Freddie and the Dreamers?) our one-time landlords would send our way. (1)



    Peary's point brings us to the other key world-beating British icons of the 1960s, the Beatles. In 1964's Goldfinger, Bond says that serving Dom Perignon above 38 degrees Fahrenheit would be "almost as bad as listening to the Beatles without ear muffs", which is a reminder that these two cultural landmarks came from different worlds. But they are connected in the public imagination because Britishness was fashionable.



    The Beatles had, of course, made their mark before they turned to films with A Hard Day's Night. And Robert Murphy, in his book Sixties British Cinema (2) points out that people would have flocked to see A Hard Day's Night even if it had been no better as a piece of film-making than your average Tommy Steele vehicle. But the fact that the Beatles' film debut was stylish and innovative was all-important.



    The image of the Beatles as portrayed in A Hard Day's Night is significant in all kinds of ways. To begin with, there's the fact that they are so working class - perhaps the first time that British working class men have been allowed to be stylish heroes rather than put-upon protagonists of the kitchen sink dramas.



    Clips of the group cockily dealing with the press and the representatives of fashionable society show them to be more than just cheeky teenagers enjoying their youthful rebellion against the establishment. Instead, they are self-confident, witty people coming face-to-face with establishment figures and sending them up. It's also important to look at the way the movie was shot. Its cinematography seems to owe a lot to the fashionable new British photographers of the day, and Richard Lester's camera movement and cutting broke new ground, even though we have seen them imitated a thousand times in pop videos since then. This is important because it shows us how the rebellious Beatles were linked to all that was new and exciting aesthetically - everything about them was chic, quite apart from the significance of their music.



    I've chosen these two examples of Britishness as cool, but there are plenty more. Take Michael Caine, another working class character who epitomised rugged individualism in the unconventionally-filmed Harry Palmer films. Or take a theatrically trained actor like Peter O'Toole, who became a big star and then aligned himself with unusual, challenging movies. Or take Richard Burton, who, like Connery, proved you didn't have to be English to be British, and exuded magnetism in the weakest vehicles.



    Leaving all these examples to one side, I want to move up to date and look at the image of Britishness which we export today.



    In 1988, A Fish Called Wanda, although American financed, showed British film-making talent could still mean big business worldwide. Clever and funny as it was, it didn't do the British image any favours. The British man, as represented by John Cleese's character in Wanda, is incapable of expressing emotion rationally. He finds it difficult to accept affection either, without turning embarrassed. He's drawn to attractive, emotionally bold American women, but when he attracts them it's in spite of his own ham-fistedness.



    After the success of A Fish Called Wanda, American producers were briefly keen to try other comedy vehicles featuring British comics. And the fact that comedians like Lenny Henry and Rik Myall failed so dismally in Hollywood probably has something to do with the fact that these people weren't your insecure, vulnerable repressives.



    Which brings us to Four Weddings and a Funeral, the film that conquered America more surely than any other British product, and which made a star of Hugh Grant. And here we see the same stereotype as in A Fish Called Wanda, only even less subtly: the British man is emotionally repressed, gauche, incapable of relating to the attractive American woman he badly desires. What's more, the characters in Four Weddings come from a higher social class than even the barrister in A Fish Called Wanda. Andie McDowell's character at one point asks whether all English people live in castles, and the film suggests they do - except for one scene in which we see a token shot of a working class estate. It's the funeral scene, of course.



    The social world the film depicts, coupled with Hugh Grant's twitchy, embarrassed performance, means the most successful image of Britishness we have exported to date is that of the upper class twit. And not even a charming, caddish, calculating bounder of the kind Terry-Thomas and Leslie Phillips used to be, but a pathetic, clownish one.



    Why do we manufacture these negative images of Britishness? Is it some national modesty, the same refusal to show off that prompted us to make films about our military disasters, such as A Bridge Too Far, much more often than our successes? Or is it that 15 years of economic decline has somehow shaped our national self-confidence? (3)



    A more likely cause, I think, is the fact that British films can no longer make money from the British market alone. We need the US dollars and the American reverence for everything British has evaporated. Movies like In the Name of the Father and The Crying Game are much more suited to the American tendency to see the British as old-fashioned colonialists. And the fact that Americans like the British to be villains rather than heroes can be seen from the kind of roles Hollywood gives our actors: Jeremy Irons in Die Hard With a Vengeance or The Lion King; Alan Rickman in Die Hard or Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves; Nigel Hawthorne in Demolition Man; or a talented Shakespearean actor such as Roger Rees in nothing but comic villainous roles.



    So our economically weak film industry perpetuates stereotypical views of Britishness because they sell. But surely it's time for a change, Britain may still be in economic decline, but we have a vibrant multi-cultural society which rarely ends up on film. And we have plenty of talent in acting, writing, directing, music. If we want a sea change in the world's attitudes to British movie-making, I think it's about time we made ourselves the heroes in our own films.

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    I may be in a minority but I regret the lack of a rugged British 'action' man at the present time. In the 50s and 60s we had Stanley Baker as the epitome of what a 'real' man should be. Even in his most villainous roles he was, usually, courteous to women and loyal to those around him. all the while planning some daring heist etc. Into the 70s we had the likes of Tom Bell and the lads from 'The Sweeney' carrying the torch with sterling support from Patrick Mower in 'Target' and Nicholas Ball as 'Hazell'. Also on the scene at that time was the charismatic Ken Hutchison scowling his way around (whatever happened to him). Perhaps he's doing rep somewhere with Lewis Collins. The decline began in the 80s and the rugged British man has all but disappeared from TV and films. There are encouraging signs, but for every Ray Winstone or Craig Fairbrass there's a Clive Owen or Martin Kemp mincing about. 2006 was the best year in ages for 'real' British men with James Bond safe in the grasp of the magnificent Daniel Craig and Phillip Glenister terrorising the 'politically correct' crowd as Gene Hunt in 'Life on Mars'. Now all we need is a 'real' man in Number 10. I hear Sean Connery's got a lot of free time on his hands at the moment .....

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    The Brit SuperAction Hero isn't dead...



    Just look at Hugh Grant's explosive performance of "KILLING ME GENTLY" at the end of ABOUT A BOY.



    Talk about rugged he-man images-!! whoo hooo...



    (Believe me, him getting arrested for ANYTHING has to be his publicist's dream at this point... as long as it's not involving little children...)

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    Hugh Plank....sorry, that should be Hugh Grant, has hit the news again.

    He has been pictured boozed up and surrounded by women half his age.

    Nothing new there then.



    The 47yo actor was caught on Sunday night with the student babes from St. Andrew University, Scotland.

    Grant had been playing in the weekends Alfred Dunhill Links Golf Championship and left a gala dinner to sample the student life.

    The old lecher.



    Dave.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David Brent




    Hugh Plank....sorry, that should be Hugh Grant, has hit the news again.

    He has been pictured boozed up and surrounded by women half his age.

    Nothing new there then.



    The 47yo actor was caught on Sunday night with the student babes from St. Andrew University, Scotland.

    Grant had been playing in the weekends Alfred Dunhill Links Golf Championship and left a gala dinner to sample the student life.

    The old lecher.



    Dave.


    Er, if he was surrounded by them is that his fault?? If he was surrounding them I would take your point....

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    Most of those girls look as if they are more interested in each other than Huge Grunt!

    I suppose that's University life for you..........



    Starry x.

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    You can't beat a f--t throwing a f--t can you .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sam Boone
    I think the law should be changed so that photographers can be beaten up and hit with tins of beans or whatever comes to hand as usually they are being more annoying than an off form Jerry Lewis.

    Do your bit for celebs - beat up a photographer today!
    Does that include beating up Lord Snowdon, David Bailey, Annie Lebovitz (how dare she offend her majesty!) and dedicated war photographers like Don McCullin who risk their lives in order to show us the true fruitless horror of war?..... Seriously though, I think I realise that perhaps you are talking about a certain kind of "photographer", commonly known as papparazzi. Those people are not actually photographers insofar as they don't really merit that title, they are "guys with cameras" with no photographic training, they are rude boorish insensitive idiots, scum in my opinion and one of the lowest forms of life, some already have convictions for all manner of offences including assault, fraud and deception, they are nasty pieces of work and do the real profession of photography a great dis-service. I say this as a professional photographer of some 22 years , Im not a papparazi and wouldn't dream of taking a photo of someone who didn't want me to. Even within the profession of photography the papparazzi are regarded with contempt and disrespect. One of my favourite photos of a papparazzi getting a taste of his own medicine is a super pic of Sean Penn in an LA car park giving a pap a good whipping about the head with the paps own camera and Penn holding it by the strap and really giving it a good swing, it must have hurt! Good! So yes, paps deserve all they get but lets not condone " beat up a photographer" as a general rule, the paps yes, otherwise I might be scared to leave my house with my camera around my neck if thats the case........

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    Chaps, I have to say I am puzzled by the outpouring of vitriol here against silly-arse Hugh Grant. Like anyone I enjoy the spectator sport of watching a celebrity losing it and firing off at the press. But the mystery about Grant is this. Why is he such a pull for the ladies and yet the target of abuse from every other man? Could it be the green eyed monster of envy at play here? Hugh Grant has never claimed to be the Laurence Olivier of his generation. By all accounts he is fairly self-effacing and doesn't take himself (or his acting chops) too seriously. You could argue that he has made a career from playing the absent-minded but genial English gentleman. So what? No one ever criticised David Niven for that (admittedly he was a finer actor, but you get the idea). I am not a fan of the overly cute and contrived Notting Hill / Four Weddings movies that he made his name in, but respected actors like Ralph Fiennes, Kiefer Sutherland and Emma Thompson rate his professionalism and ability very highly. I for one enjoyed his non-comic performance in "The Remains Of The Day" enormously. If you only look at the "um, ah" style of acting that people perceive as his total range then you are not seeing the full picture on Mr Grant. If Oliver Reed or Richard Harris lost it with the press or enjoyed the company of women half their age (or more!) they were "good old boys". When Grant does the same thing he's a "dirty old letch"!

    Come off it lads, given half the chance you would be taking his place - not taking the piss!





    Quote Originally Posted by hankoler
    You can't beat a f--t throwing a f--t can you .

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    It's not his fault..............girls are predators, they do sneaky stuff to take advantage of us trusting blokes. They stalk us, harrass us, chase after us when we wear Lynx deordorant.what chance have us blokes got.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edward G
    Chaps, I have to say I am puzzled by the outpouring of vitriol here against silly-arse Hugh Grant. Like anyone I enjoy the spectator sport of watching a celebrity losing it and firing off at the press. But the mystery about Grant is this. Why is he such a pull for the ladies and yet the target of abuse from every other man? Could it be the green eyed monster of envy at play here? Hugh Grant has never claimed to be the Laurence Olivier of his generation. By all accounts he is fairly self-effacing and doesn't take himself (or his acting chops) too seriously. You could argue that he has made a career from playing the absent-minded but genial English gentleman. So what? No one ever criticised David Niven for that (admittedly he was a finer actor, but you get the idea). I am not a fan of the overly cute and contrived Notting Hill / Four Weddings movies that he made his name in, but respected actors like Ralph Fiennes, Kiefer Sutherland and Emma Thompson rate his professionalism and ability very highly. I for one enjoyed his non-comic performance in "The Remains Of The Day" enormously. If you only look at the "um, ah" style of acting that people perceive as his total range then you are not seeing the full picture on Mr Grant. If Oliver Reed or Richard Harris lost it with the press or enjoyed the company of women half their age (or more!) they were "good old boys". When Grant does the same thing he's a "dirty old letch"!

    Come off it lads, given half the chance you would be taking his place - not taking the piss!
    Well said......

    Its all gone very quiete after your comments...................

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edward G
    Chaps, I have to say I am puzzled by the outpouring of vitriol here against silly-arse Hugh Grant. Like anyone I enjoy the spectator sport of watching a celebrity losing it and firing off at the press. But the mystery about Grant is this. Why is he such a pull for the ladies and yet the target of abuse from every other man? Could it be the green eyed monster of envy at play here? Hugh Grant has never claimed to be the Laurence Olivier of his generation. By all accounts he is fairly self-effacing and doesn't take himself (or his acting chops) too seriously. You could argue that he has made a career from playing the absent-minded but genial English gentleman. So what? No one ever criticised David Niven for that (admittedly he was a finer actor, but you get the idea). I am not a fan of the overly cute and contrived Notting Hill / Four Weddings movies that he made his name in, but respected actors like Ralph Fiennes, Kiefer Sutherland and Emma Thompson rate his professionalism and ability very highly. I for one enjoyed his non-comic performance in "The Remains Of The Day" enormously. If you only look at the "um, ah" style of acting that people perceive as his total range then you are not seeing the full picture on Mr Grant. If Oliver Reed or Richard Harris lost it with the press or enjoyed the company of women half their age (or more!) they were "good old boys". When Grant does the same thing he's a "dirty old letch"!

    Come off it lads, given half the chance you would be taking his place - not taking the piss!
    Been there,done that

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    Quote Originally Posted by penfold
    Er, if he was surrounded by them is that his fault?? If he was surrounding them I would take your point....
    There's nothing wrong with being surrounded by female students. Good luck to the bloke.

    The only thing is that as a well known actor he is in the public eye and maybe, just maybe he should have thought about his reputation.

    Being drunk in the company of girls, whom he is old enough to be the father of, tends to promote him as a "dirty old man" and also being a little bit sad.



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    Quote Originally Posted by David Brent
    There's nothing wrong with being surrounded by female students. Good luck to the bloke.

    The only thing is that as a well known actor he is in the public eye and maybe, just maybe he should have thought about his reputation.

    Being drunk in the company of girls, whom he is old enough to be the father of, tends to promote him as a "dirty old man" and also being a little bit sad.



    Dave.
    I would have thought being surrounded by female students would have enhanced his reputation...at least they're not being paid to flock around him....and surely young women in their mid -20's are slap bang in his audience demographic??

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    Liz Hurley had great taste by dumping him, what a moron.



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    Quote Originally Posted by penfold
    I would have thought being surrounded by female students would have enhanced his reputation...at least they're not being paid to flock around him....and surely young women in their mid -20's are slap bang in his audience demographic??
    Don't you think using the words 'slap' and 'bang' with regard to this scenario is a little bit risque?



    Bats.

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    Hugh Grant is one of the few 'Celebs' who I do not like, he's just a 'Hooray Henry' who plays a Hooray Henry (which is all he can do) I've no time for the Paparazzi either (we all know the tragedy they were responsible for, but that's another subject)



    If he can't stand the heat he should stay outta the kitchen, refusing to sign an autograph for a fan will upset that fan for life, I recall reading once in a Newspaper that as he once walked past some Journalists into a Premiere (and he wasn't being harrased by them) he said "I hope your children die of cancer".......saying something like that is totally uncalled for whatever the provacation......Mister Grant needs to see a Psychiatrist.......he makes me sick!

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    totally limited actor, and I am baffled why he has actually made it big.

    He may look good to some, but he acts the same, don't you agree with me.

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    He is an absolute wuss.

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